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Java or python ?? what to choose for a suitable career in backend as a fresher

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Dude, I was literally in your shoes 2 years ago and went with Java. Here’s my take: Java - if you want that corporate bag Enterprise companies LOVE Java (banks, insurance, big tech) Spring Boot is everywhere in backend roles Salaries tend to be higher for Java devs in my experience More structured, forces you to learn good practices early Job security is insane - legacy systems aren’t going anywhere Python - if you want flexibility and faster learning curve Easier to pick up, more beginner-friendly syntax Django/FastAPI are solid for backend Great for startups and data-heavy companies Opens doors to ML/AI if you wanna pivot later More “fun” to work with imo Real talk though - market demand wise, Java probably has a slight edge for pure backend roles, especially for freshers. Most companies have existing Java codebases and need people to maintain them. But honestly? Pick whichever one doesn’t make you want to cry while coding. I’ve seen people succeed with both. The fundamentals (databases, APIs, system design) matter more than the language. If you’re really torn, learn Java first (it’ll make you a better programmer overall), then pick up Python later. It’s way easier to go Java → Python than the other way around. Also protip: whatever you choose, get really good at ONE framework. Don’t try to learn everything at once - you’ll just confuse yourself. Good luck with placements! Answer from No-Mycologist-9014 on reddit.com

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July 16, 2025 -

hello guys, i am fresher and really confused what should i learn Python or Java for backend , what will be more beneficial , what will be my career path looking like when i choose either of them , please guide me as your help is needed very much , really confused as placement season is going to come soon in my college. please guide

Dude, I was literally in your shoes 2 years ago and went with Java. Here’s my take: Java - if you want that corporate bag 💰 Enterprise companies LOVE Java (banks, insurance, big tech) Spring Boot is everywhere in backend roles Salaries tend to be higher for Java devs in my experience More structured, forces you to learn good practices early Job security is insane - legacy systems aren’t going anywhere Python - if you want flexibility and faster learning curve Easier to pick up, more beginner-friendly syntax Django/FastAPI are solid for backend Great for startups and data-heavy companies Opens doors to ML/AI if you wanna pivot later More “fun” to work with imo Real talk though - market demand wise, Java probably has a slight edge for pure backend roles, especially for freshers. Most companies have existing Java codebases and need people to maintain them. But honestly? Pick whichever one doesn’t make you want to cry while coding. I’ve seen people succeed with both. The fundamentals (databases, APIs, system design) matter more than the language. If you’re really torn, learn Java first (it’ll make you a better programmer overall), then pick up Python later. It’s way easier to go Java → Python than the other way around. Also protip: whatever you choose, get really good at ONE framework. Don’t try to learn everything at once - you’ll just confuse yourself. Good luck with placements! 🤞

yeah so a few months ago i looked at employers job applications and read about their requirements etc. so i would recommend that u do that. front end is highly saturated, don't get into it until later on. i looked at dell for example and this was just one of their requirements: "•Proficiency in hardware, software (Python, C++, Java) and/or operating systems environments" its good to be full stack as well but at the same time u should be focusing on back end first. companies are looking for both but its like 80% back end 20% front end type of way.

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October 26, 2022 -

I will start out (new grad) as a full stack developer in a banking firm.

I have been given the choice to either become a python dev(flask framework) or java dev(spring framework).

Furthermore, I am proficient in Python and flask (my previous internship was with flask) while almost a newbie in java, but I feel being a java developer would help me in the long run.

Would it be beneficial to start my career as a python developer or java developer?

Any advice is really appreciated as my family doesn't have tech background.

Edit: I opted for java but as it is with any big org, they put me in a python team 😂.

Got to work on a data science project and use flask on day to day basis. Since the senior devs in my team are originally java devs, the code base is almost like java with the typing, oop based etc.

I learn new stuff every quarter and I like python. So happy with how fate turned out

I started with Python (Django) but my first job was Java-based. It was only after using Java that I properly understood OOP. You talk to other developers and you start to understand the importance of object oriented design patterns for scalability and reusability, importance of writing clean code and that alone opens up a whole new never ending pit of infinite knowledge. You'll have very little trouble picking up another language after Java and you'll start to love it's static typed verbose nature. You'll understand the importance being verbose when it comes to really humongous codebase (or atleast, codebase that cover a vast domain)

As someone who's worked with both spring and flask, I vastly prefer flask, spring seemed to break every so often with very not helpful errors and in many cases we simply copied the code, deleted the project, then put the code back in and it worked somehow. This was like 5 years ago so no idea if it's different now but spring was extremely annoying. That said career-wise java is the go-to here. Even though I use 90% python now the only reason python is even relevant is packages people have built, mostly written in core C. So for example I do data engineering and afaik there's no pandas/numpy substitute in java. But as a fundamental language I think java is much better and you'll likely learn much better design principles as well. And if you don't like the job after a year or two you can definitely leave and pursue a python role, being able to put java on your resume will only be a positive.

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r/Backend on Reddit: which is better for Backend Java or Python and Why?

December 29, 2025 -

I’m a 3rd-year engineering student. I have already completed data science basics and started machine learning, but now I want to add backend development as a serious, job-oriented skill.

I already know Java and am currently doing DSA in Java, so continuing with Java for backend would not be starting from scratch. Learning Python backend would mean picking up a new stack.

I am not learning backend just for exploration or fun. My clear goal is to land a backend-related job, so employability, industry demand, and long-term career growth matter to me.

If your goal is to land a backend related job, java is the no brainer. There is much more demand for Java on the backend.

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Should I go with Java or Python for backend development? : r/learnprogramming

August 11, 2025 - Both Java and Python are strong options for backend development with React and PostgreSQL. Python offers a simpler learning curve and cleaner syntax, which makes it ideal for rapid development and maintainable code. Java provides stronger type safety and scalability, making it more suitable ...

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r/learnprogramming on Reddit: Seeking Insights: Java, ASP.NET vs. Python, and GO for Backend Development in Enterprises

November 26, 2023 -

Hey everyone,
I've been diving into the world of backend development and I'm curious about the prevalence of Java and ASP.NET in enterprise applications despite the rise and capabilities of Python.

Java, in particular, seems to be on a decline in recent years, yet it's still in demand in enterprise world.
I'm torn between the decision of delving into Java Spring, ASP.NET, or exploring Python with Django for backend development. All these frameworks seem robust and capable of handling large-scale applications, but the differences between them are somewhat blurry to me.
For instance, Java, ASP.NET, and GO have been the stalwarts in the enterprise world, but Python's versatility and ease of use have gained considerable traction. Is it worth investing time in Java Spring despite their decline? Or should I pivot towards Python and explore its potential in the backend, especially with frameworks like Django and a plenty of packages available?
I'd love to hear your experiences and insights on:
Why do you think Java and ASP.NET are still prevalent in enterprise applications despite their decline?

Is Java Spring still a viable choice for backend development compared to Python and Django or GO?

What are the key differences between these frameworks in terms of performance, scalability, and ease of development?
I believe all these frameworks have their strengths and weaknesses, and the decision might vary based on the project requirements and industry demands.

Your perspectives, experiences, and suggestions would be immensely helpful in guiding my decision on which path to pursue in backend development.
Looking forward to a lively discussion and learning from your valuable experiences!

.NET isn't on the decline, Java is. But as of writing this Java is still more prevalent than C#, though it will be taken over soon. A lot of places use Java. A lot of places use .NET. Fewer places use django.

Are you ok working at a big enterprise company on mature software. Java or .net are a tossup and the languages are pretty similar anyway. If you want to work at a startup python is probably the way to go with go becoming popular if it is a sass company geared towards things like devops. Want to have more of a niche role or start something yourself? Go is a pretty good choice. Honestly the language and toolkits are probably the thing that is easiest to pickup. The valuable skills for a Backend developer are knowledge of the common things like asnyc handling, database design and interaction, stateless design patterns, queueing and messaging. Monolith and micro services patterns. API design and cloud services / deployment. Even if you have teams that handle certain elements for you. You really need to have worked through these things to move forward in your career.

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r/learnprogramming on Reddit: java or python?

January 1, 2024 -

is there a good reason to have java as your first language over languages like python or js?

Java is very fast. Java is very secure. Java has a gazillion of great code libraries. Java has static typing to save you from stupid coding errors. Java does not use whitespace for logic. need more?

Python is a good language to learn some of the basics of programming with, but I find it is not used often in production (outside of maybe Django) as much. It’s great for quickly scripting a task though. Java is a fast, tried and true language with tons of support and has many applications. Java is the better language to learn for you career and employment, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with learning the fundamentals with python

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r/learnprogramming on Reddit: Are Java and Python purely backend languages?

February 24, 2024 -

I’m a first year uni cs student trying to learn more about what to do next. We’ve only learned these two languages so far and honestly the progress I’ve made isn’t what I’d call noticeable. We stuck nearly entirely to the console, programs which aren’t something anyone really enjoys making or uses.

I know about little about backend and frontend. From my understanding, Java and Python are mainly used for the former.

My question is this: what can Python and Java be used for other than this? I’m sure backend knowledge will be very useful later, but is there anything fun that can be made with them now, or should I start broadening my languages?

I read somewhere that a language that doesn’t change your viewpoint on programming isn’t worth learning. I’ve also heard that it is more useful to be really good at one language than to be good at many. These pieces of advice would indicate I should stay with improving these languages slowly, but it seems this would clash with the desire to make something fun and/or meaningful.

Does anyone have any opinions / answers to this? I’d like to hear what you have to say, be it from professionals or other students.

Minecraft is written in Java. So, nope.

You can build pretty almost anything with either language. Not necessarily optimally, conveniently or advisably, but you can. I read somewhere that a language that doesn’t change your viewpoint on programming isn’t worth learning. Academically, maybe ... In real terms ... you'll invariably learn something new from every additional language you learn/use. It may not change your viewpoint (such as coding in languages that follow entirely different paradigms), but it will expand the way you can think about solving problems (even in other languages). And practically speaking ... you'll inevitably learn languages (etc.) simply because they're required for something you want. Such as a specific job or a promotion. I’ve also heard that it is more useful to be really good at one language than to be good at many. Languages are not the hard part. Once you can program, properly, a language is just a syntax and grammar for expressing fundamental concepts and operations. Limiting yourself to one language is somewhat like having a toolbox that only contains a hammer. Think "right tool for the job". Some languages are better suited to certain types of problems than others - by which I mean they can make it easier to write (and read) code that does certain things (and/or my have intrinsic libraries that also help), but the delta is usually just in how much code, of what complexity, you need to write to get a given job done.

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r/learnprogramming on Reddit: Suggestion: should I learn python or java?

August 3, 2024 -

Hi! I'm a junior DevOps engineer and I would like to start developing backend too. I already know intermediate python and worked a little bit with django and I would like to dive deep into python and learn it well.

I asked my supervisor for his advice and he thinks that it's better for me to learn Java first. From his point of view Java is more technical and I can become a better developer by learning the fundamentals with it (like polymorphism, interfaces, data types). He considers python as an uneffective shortcut to learn bad software development practices.

At first he convinced me with his argument but then I documented myself better and I saw that even python has all of those concepts, so I feel like if I'm not lazy and l study python well I can achieve the same expertise I would get with Java.

Since I want python to be my main language I'm essentially very skeptical in using my energies in learning java from zero while I could dive deep in python and get solid with it. It's not like I only want to know python overall, but reading a book of 1600 pages like "learning python" takes time and effort and I feel like I want to make that effort on python, not java.

What do you think about it? I could really use your advice, thanks a lot in advance.

If your company uses Java, I don't know why you wouldn't want to learn Java. Do you want to advance at your company? It doesn't sound like they need Python developers.

Backend Java is a good gig. Python is I think a better platform in important ways (fast to develop on)but it's less likely to get you a job as a backend engineer. So yeah, learn Java.

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July 20, 2025 -

Hi everyone,

I'm currently in my final year and looking to specialize in a tech stack. I've completed DSA in Java but haven't done any development projects yet.

While many of my peers are learning Python, I'm already familiar with Java and am considering learning Spring/Spring Boot for backend development.

However, I've come across several Reddit discussions suggesting that there are limited opportunities for junior Java developers. Is that true in your experience?

Should I stick with Java and Spring Boot, or would it be better to switch to Python for better job prospects?

Any guidance or personal experiences would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you 🙏

Both are fine. Choose which based on the kinds of projects you want to work on. After doing a few projects you'll likely understand enough about what needs to happen that trying out the other won't be nearly so major an issue.

If you are looking for a data engineer/ai/ml then go for Python or if it is backend roles then go for the java.

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r/learnprogramming on Reddit: Should I learn Python or JavaScript for backend development?

July 21, 2025 -

Hey everyone,
I’m a beginner in programming. I'm confused about whether to go with Python (Flask/Django) or JavaScript (Node.js) for backend development.

Here’s some context:

I’m also learning front-end (HTML, CSS, and JavaScript).
I want to build full-stack web apps.
I enjoy Python’s simplicity, but I’m also okay learning JavaScript properly.
Long term, I might also be interested in data science or AI (so Python would help there).

Can you guys share what worked best for you, or which path makes more sense for someone starting out?
Any tips, resources, or personal experiences would be really helpful!

Python has many uses in various places JavaScript is mainly useful in interactive websites and some backends So your question is wrong, it is not "which you should learn", it is "which should you learn first". And for that it is Python in my opinion (based upon the last 20+ years of using both) it sees use in far more places and is really easy to work with and very intuitive. JavaScript has many more sharp edges that can easily trip a new developer up. JavaScript is mainly used in front end UIs, backend APIs, and FaaS (ie. Lambdas) Python is used in backend APIs, SSR websites (where you most likely need to use both), integration systems, automation, data science, data processing pipelines, FaaS, devops tooling, CLI tools, scripting, black box testing, telephony, and so many many more. There's no real "main" use cases for Python, out of the box it is a swiss army knife. Get to know the basic programming concepts and constructs and you will be set to learn another language relatively quickly.

JavaScript you have to learn for web apps so makes sense to stay within that ecosystem with NodeJS / leave python for now and since you are new better stick in one language first

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r/learnpython on Reddit: "Python vs. Java in 2025: Which Should I Focus On?"

December 10, 2024 -

It's 2025, and I'm at a decision point in my programming journey. I want to dive deep into one language and can't decide between Python and Java.

Here's my context: i am a developer with 10 year experience in java and 5 years in python

Python: It's dominating fields like AI/ML, data science, web development, and automation. With its growing libraries and frameworks, it feels like a must-know for cutting-edge tech.
Java: Despite being older, it's still a powerhouse for enterprise systems, Android development (with Kotlin in the mix), and large-scale backend solutions. Its stability and performance are undeniable.

10 in Java, 5 in Python and you're still unsure. Are you trolling or lying🤨

It seems like you should be pretty well versed in Java if you have 10 YOE, no?

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r/learnprogramming on Reddit: Is Python a good backend language for backend job opportunities and big tech?

January 17, 2026 -

I want to learn DSA and backend development in parallel. My goal is to get an entry-level backend SWE role, and I want to use the same language for both LeetCode and the backend framework so I don’t get overwhelmed learning two languages at once.

Python is commonly recommended for LeetCode, so would Python + FastAPI (or another Python backend framework) be a good choice in terms of the availability of entry-level backend SWE job opportunities? Or does the specific framework you start with not really matter, with companies allowing you to learn their stack on the job as long as you understand backend fundamentals and concepts from one stack?

I’m also open to learning a different language if that would significantly improve job opportunities, especially for entry-level roles or larger companies.

Python is fine for backend but most big tech companies use Java, Go, or Node for production services Learning Python for leetcode and FastAPI for backend makes sense for not overloading yourself. Once you understand one backend framework the concepts transfer easily to others Companies care way more about fundamentals than specific frameworks. Knowing FastAPI won't matter if you can't explain how authentication works or design a REST API properly The language choice matters less than you think for entry level. Just pick one and get good at it instead of optimizing for theoretical job market differences

Python is getting more popular, but it's core features are poorly suited for backend work. Backend languages want to be compiled for performance and statically typed for type safety.

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r/developersIndia on Reddit: Python vs Go vs Java as language for backend development

November 12, 2024 -

Hi guys. I am working in a service based MNC for 2 years with over 1 year experience in backend in pythob with flask/fastapi. Basically building Genai solutions using gpt/Gemini models. I have interest to switch now since the work I'm doing right now isn't great plus didn't receive any significant hike etc. I am looking to continue in backend only. Please suggest which language should I pickup Java or Golang, since there's not much opportunity in python for backend. Thanks P.S. - I have basic understanding of Java and OOPS in Java.

Java if you can get into some old, settled company. Mostly go otherwise

As answer to all questions, depends. Since you're already well versed with python and have experience with it, you're more likely to get a hike using python (django and fastapi). Both Go and Java have a learning curve, if you want to learn something which has a LOT of jobs available rn, go for Java but there's a LOT of competition too and at the same time you need some time to nail the best practices (that's what my Java dev friend told me). With Java, you might have to deal with a lot of legacy code and might make ur life difficult as you are picking it up rn. Learn Go if you maybe want to work in a startup in the future, I see go as a future proof thingy, startups are picking up because it's genuinely amazing. My personal suggestion, go with python, get good with API design, optimising stuff, learn how to write good ORM queries using django.

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r/learnpython on Reddit: Java vs Python for E-Commerce applications

December 30, 2024 -

I would like to know why most of the e-commerce platforms prefer Java for their backend. I like developing in python, but I am interested in developing public facing lifestyle applications such as e-commerce apps. Should I switch to Java or should I stick to python because these applications can be developed in python as well/ there are applications like these written in python.

Having built several backend systems, I can share that both languages are perfectly capable for e-commerce. Java's popularity in e-commerce stems from its maturity in enterprise environments, strong typing, and extensive ecosystem (Spring Boot is fantastic). But Python with Django/FastAPI is equally powerful - Instagram and Stripe were built with Python. The real question isn't about the language, but your team's expertise and specific needs. Python's rapid development speed is great for startups, while Java's robust type system helps prevent bugs in large codebases. If you're already comfortable with Python, stick with it. Focus on architecture, security, and scalability principles instead - those matter far more than language choice. Pro tip: You can use jenova ai to quickly compare code implementations between Java and Python for specific e-commerce features. It's great at showing idiomatic approaches in both languages.

2 phase commit, transaction layers that are battle hardened and great integration with JMS vendors. I love Python but the threading model feels weird vs Java's decades of maturation. Look at concepts like "CountdownLatch" and "ThreadLocal" which didn't exist the last time I tried it in Lython and had to use local implementations of dubious quality.

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r/java on Reddit: What does Java do better than Python?

November 1, 2022 -

What does Java do better than Python?

Since nobody has yet mentioned it: package management. (And the ecosystem that follows from it)

Backwards compatibility. (Apologies to all the survivors of the python 2 to 3 migration.)

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r/learnprogramming on Reddit: Recommendation for backend? Java or Python?

December 19, 2022 -

Hi, I learned basics of Java and Python and got comfortable somewhat.

Now I would like to choose one language and dig in deeper and work on projects with (and hopefully start my web dev career with it)

Any recommendations and reasons?

Thanks!

Both are fine. Java is arguably more practical (in my area anyway, there tend to be more Java jobs).

I see more jobs for backend Java developers, but I'd say C# developers are the most sought after for backend development in my area.

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r/java on Reddit: Java or Python

September 18, 2023 -

Hi Everyone,

I have one doubt and so I need one quick suggestion from you guys. I have 4+ years of experience with java backend and now Im planning to shift to Machine learning.So I need your suggestion should I continue with Java or should I learn python ?

Thanks in adavnce and really looking forward to your answer.

Im planning to shift to Machine learning I continue with Java or should I learn python Check out your local job market. I checked mine and there were no jobs for Java and ML. Mostly Python and sometimes Scala.

I have programmed in a bunch of languages, but Java was the most prevalent since 1996. I wanted to get into ML a couple of years ago, and wanted to stick with Java, but it wasn't successful. I learned Python. It's not a bad language, although it is significantly worse than Java. It would be good for your career to learn other languages anyway.

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r/Backend on Reddit: Is Python a good backend language for backend job opportunities and big tech?

January 17, 2026 -

I want to learn DSA and backend development in parallel. My goal is to get an entry-level backend SWE role, and I want to use the same language for both LeetCode and the backend framework so I don't get overwhelmed learning two languages at once.

Python is commonly recommended for LeetCode, so would Python + FastAPI (or another Python backend framework) be a good choice in terms of the availability of entry-level backend SWE job opportunities? Or does the specific framework you start with not matter, with companies allowing you to learn their stack on the job as long as you understand backend fundamentals and concepts from one stack?

I'm also open to learning a different language if that would significantly improve job opportunities, especially for entry-level roles or big tech companies.

Basically if you want a job you want to learn python, java and go… not the fanciest languages but if you can do one of those well, pretty sure you will find work.

A lot of button engineers here will tell you no, but its actually used a lot, and its gaining popularity. Stick with fastapi, postgres, sqlalchemy, alembic, learn a bit about devops stuff and you are already very attractive to companies

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r/learnprogramming on Reddit: Java vs. Python as first language pros and cons.

December 29, 2024 -

Hi everyone, so as long as I know, Python is an easier language to start learning programming, however, I might have a greater oportunity of getting a kind of internship or even (long term goal, crossing fingers) a job at a company that works with Java because of connections.

What is your experience?

You just need to learn programming, if Java in your network is used more then start with Java.

Go with Java. If that’s what the job your connection can get you then learn that. You can learn Python later. That said, this whole programming BS is problem solving. Being “fluent” in a language doesn’t mean you trained to problem solve.

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r/dotnet on Reddit: Why do most developers recommend Node.js, Java, or Python for backend — but rarely .NET or ASP.NET Core?

October 16, 2025 -

I'm genuinely curious and a bit confused. I often see people recommending Node.js, Java (Spring), or Python (Django/Flask) for backend development, especially for web dev and startups. But I almost never see anyone suggesting .NET technologies like ASP.NET Core — even though it's modern, fast, and backed by Microsoft.

Why is .NET (especially ASP.NET Core) so underrepresented in online discussions and recommendations?

Some deeper questions I’m hoping to understand:

Is there a bias in certain communities (e.g., Reddit, GitHub) toward open-source stacks?

Is .NET mostly used in enterprise or corporate environments only?

Is the learning curve or ecosystem a factor?

Are there limitations in ASP.NET Core that make it less attractive for beginners or web startups?

Is it just a regional or job market thing?

Does .NET have any downsides compared to the others that people don’t talk about?

If anyone has experience with both .NET and other stacks, I’d really appreciate your insights. I’m trying to make an informed decision and understand why .NET doesn’t get as much love in dev communities despite being technically solid.

Thanks in advance!

Because a lot of people still think that .NET Core runs only on Windows and that you are forced into the Windows/Microsoft realm. It's stupid and fortunately, it gets better but we're not there yet. And there are cases where .NET is not the best choice. Just as there are cases where {{other_framework}} is not the best choice.

.NET has it's roots in enterprise development and was confined to Windows only environments for most of it's life. Honestly, they should have rebranded when they opened it up and started supporting Linux and other environments. That would have been a great opportunity to shed the terrible .NET name and the existing hard connection to enterprise/corporatey environments. Most of the cutting edge sites were built with languages such as python and microservices in nodejs, plus there's a ton of javascript devs. .NET was just too slow for lambda type architectures which Java also has a similar problem. I also don't think Java is recommended as much for new development.