2022's crash was more telegraphed. JPow said he will hike rates to cool inflation. You knew what his targets were. The question was, whether or not if it's going to be soft landing, hard landing or no landing. This 2025 nonsense, you don't know wtf the administration's target is. Even if believe the target is bring back manufacturing, what does that even mean? Answer from Hobojoe- on reddit.com
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Medium
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Lessons from the stock market crash of 2022 | by Amit Kumar | Medium
March 14, 2025 - None of this felt possible in late 2022. The negativity was so overwhelming that it was hard to imagine stocks ever going up again. But that’s always how it feels at the bottom. Just like at the top, it always feels like stocks will never go down again.
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World Economic Forum
weforum.org › stories › 2022 › 09 › chief-economists-outlook-september-2022
The world is at a point of significant economic danger, say experts | World Economic Forum
September 28, 2022 - As per the Chief Economists Outlook September 2022, world's economy has “darkened". Inflation is on the rise and a global recession is “somewhat likely” in 2023.
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2022 crash vs 2025 - Surely, this is worse - Is that a fair take?
2022's crash was more telegraphed. JPow said he will hike rates to cool inflation. You knew what his targets were. The question was, whether or not if it's going to be soft landing, hard landing or no landing. This 2025 nonsense, you don't know wtf the administration's target is. Even if believe the target is bring back manufacturing, what does that even mean? More on reddit.com
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The Great Market Crash of March 2022

Woah. This is some solid ass DD. You really out pizzaed the hut with this one.

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US Economy Will ‘Narrowly Avoid’ Recession in 2022 and 2023, IMF Says
This just pure propaganda. Everywhere. Why is it so important that the recessions is going to happen not this year. Like it has to be 1/1/23 not earlier. They didn’t get inflation right even remotely. More on reddit.com
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Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget
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The 2022 U.S. Economy in Ten Charts | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget
September 20, 2023 - For example, the three-month bill yield grew from 0.1 percent at the beginning of 2022 to 4.4 percent by the end. The 30-year yield grew from 2.0 percent at the beginning of the year to 4.0 percent by the end. The Fed expects the median Federal Funds Rate to be 5.1 percent in 2023. It hopes to achieve a “soft landing,” where the inflation slows without an economic recession, although unemployment is projected to rise by more than one percentage point this year.
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r/StockMarket on Reddit: 2022 crash vs 2025 - Surely, this is worse - Is that a fair take?
April 14, 2025 -

The resilience of the current price of equities/S&P 500 index, when compared to the price movement and market sentiment in 2022 seems quite surprising.

We had a crash in 2022, mainly in Tech companies. In hindsight, it was considered to be mainly caused by interest rate rises, lay-offs in the tech sector, Big Tech Antitrust Investigations in the USA, Europe and, I think even in China (Jack Ma becoming absent from public view for a little while).

Yet, between Jan 2022 (Shiller CAPE just under 37) and Oct 2022 (Shiller CAPE around 27) the S&P500 fell by 23% or so (Meta fell by around 70%, and was a bargain), and even Berkshire fell by around 16% or similar (to demonstrate that the price drop was wide spread and even reached 'non-tech' companies). So you can see from this picture, that the rationale for the pessimism was very concentrated, and not wide spread across various areas of the local or global economies, even though the price drops were.

Looking back at that, even when experiencing it at the time, IMO nothing had fundamentally changed; the Tech companies' products would still be used by billions of people (even if they were broken up), they were still going to generate revenues and profits, have high margins and there was no real recession or fears of one that I can remember. No concerns about the government, or the SEC or any other core organisation. No issues with reduction in consumer demand etc. So, overall, it was just this one tech related issue (as perceived by market participants, maybe a little bit of interest rates thrown in), and yet, the market shed 23% in 10 months or so.

On the other hand, the concerns that people seem to be having now are numerous, varied, disparate and fundamental.

Things people have talked about with regards to the USA now, most, not all, of which were not remotely concerning in 2022:

  1. Market is priced quite high, maybe overvalued - S&P 500 Shiller CAPE of just under 38 in Jan 2025, and currently probably around 33. 60% of the global stock market cap as presented by MSCI? vs 25% or so of Global GDP. For context, historical average of CAPE ratio is around 17.

  2. It took 7 months for the S&P 500 to drop 19% in 2022, in 2025 it did that under 2 months (before recovering some), so that is a much sharper fall than in 2022.

  3. Concerns about Tariffs and Trade wars and its impact on consumer spending.

  4. Effect of the above on inflation, which was just about to be gotten under control.

  5. Businesses cooling off from investments due to the chaotic and unpredictable environment.

  6. Unemployment at historical lows in USA, that means Fed might be limited in what they can do with lowering rates.

  7. Spooked bond market and rising yields due to US Govt Debt sell off.

  8. Concerns about insider trading and/or market manipulation by the administration and those who are close to it.

  9. Concerns about the competency of the current US administration (handling of Signal Chat leaks, Peter Navarro qualifications or lack thereof and the bizarre Tariff formula, $Trump and $Melania kript0 pump and dump, DOGE handling or lay-offs, among many other things).

  10. American reputation and brand deterioration amongst its close allies and trading partners.

  11. Concerns about whether laws are being applied with as much integrity as they used to be and equally for the rich and the average person, resident citizens vs those on Visas etc.

There may be other things which I may have missed. (I haven't mentioned the many 'little issues', like Gabbard declaring her residency in Texas and voting in Hawaii etc. etc.)

So, it appears that there are far more, wide ranging, diverse, and fundamental reasons to be concerned and pessimistic now about the future and market prices, than there were in 2022, and yet the market seems more optimistic than it should be, based purely on how much it has dropped when compared to 2022, at least until now.

Is that a fair take?

Should there be more pessimism as expressed in the price drops of equity markets, than has occurred thus far? Perhaps there is pessimism in the mainstream discourse but it doesn't appear to be reflected in the market prices to the same degree.

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International Monetary Fund
imf.org › en › blogs › articles › 2023 › 10 › 10 › resilient-global-economy-still-limping-along-with-growing-divergences
Resilient Global Economy Still Limping Along, With Growing Divergences
October 10, 2023 - According to our latest projections, world economic growth will slow from 3.5 percent in 2022 to 3 percent this year and 2.9 percent next year, a 0.1 percentage point downgrade for 2024 from July.
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r/investing on Reddit: Remembering stock market crash of 2022
March 12, 2025 -

It’s easy to forget how short the market’s memory is.

Still remember the last few months of 2022. The S&P 500 was down nearly 25%, the Nasdaq had crashed over 35%, and inflation was out of control. The Fed was hiking rates aggressively, and it felt like a deep recession was inevitable.

Goldman Sachs or JP Morgan (don't remember which) predicted the S&P 500 would go all the way to 3,000. Michael Burry suggested an even bigger collapse taking S&P500 back to 1800. Most investors were convinced this was just the beginning of more pain. Even then people talked about stagflation and going into the lost decade.

Meta, in particular, was the poster child of despair. Down 75%, from $380 to $88. People genuinely thought it would never recover. The ad market was dying. Reels weren’t making money. Zuckerberg was "burning billions" on the metaverse. Investors wanted him to shut it all down.

It wasn’t just Meta. Amazon reported its first unprofitable year after a long time. Google’s ad revenue shrank. Microsoft’s growth slowed. Tesla was down to $113 at its lowest. Institutions were slashing price targets left and right. Investors were selling at the lows, convinced things would only get worse.

And then... the market did what it always does. Slowly, things started improving. Companies adapted. Earnings stabilized. The panic faded. By mid-2023, inflation was cooling. The Fed hinted at pausing rate hikes.

Meta posted a solid earnings report. Then came $40 billion in stock buybacks. The stock doubled. Then doubled again. Amazon recovered. Nvidia went on a historic run. The Nasdaq had its best year in two decades in 2023. By early 2024, Meta, Nvidia, and Microsoft were hitting all-time highs to reach even higher by end of 2024. Two years of record gains.

When markets are crashing, it feels like they’ll never go up again. When they’re at all-time highs, it feels like they’ll never go down. Neither is true.

So investors, it's going to be fine. Just be calm and hold tight. And if you can, keep buying.

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Jhu
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US Economy is Headed for Recession
Conclusion The post-Covid economic backlash, in conjunction with faltering external economies and global conflict will directly impact US domestic interests, foreshadowing an emerging recession in the next 18 months with implications for consumers ...
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J.P. Morgan Private Bank
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Five factors we use to track recession risk, and what they say now | J.P. Morgan Private Bank U.S.
January 28, 2025 - The consensus projection from December 2022 is shown in light blue, starting at around 1.5% in 2022 and declining to near 0% by 2024. The December 2023 projection, in dark blue, begins at around 2.5% in 2023 and drops sharply to below 1% by 2024.
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The Economist
economist.com › finance & economics › november 15th 2025 edition
Recessions have become ultra-rare. That is storing up trouble
November 10, 2025 - From 1300 to 1800, economic historians estimate that England and then Britain were in recession almost half the time. The economy was volatile, with storming recoveries following crashing downturns. As capitalism matured and policymaking improved, recessions became less frequent.
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Project Syndicate
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The Coming US Financial Crisis - Project Syndicate
October 17, 2025 - While US President Donald Trump has regularly roiled markets, investors have failed to account adequately for escalating risks to the US financial system. With market participants chasing short-term profits, and regulators considering measures that would further erode financial stability, it is only a matter of time until cracks begin to appear.
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2022 stock market decline - Wikipedia
September 24, 2025 - The 2022 stock market decline was a bear market that included the decline of several stock market indices worldwide between January and October 2022. The decline was due to the highest inflation readings as part of the 2021–2023 inflation surge and the resulting increases in interest rates, combined with the worst year for the bond market since 1994 with fears of a global recession due to a decline in economic indicators and an inverted yield curve, exacerbated by supply chain disruptions due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine and uncertainty over the long-term effects of the COVID-19 pandemic on the economy.
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Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
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Economy Strong as 2023 Ended
April 4, 2024 - The subsequent economic trajectory — for better or for worse — will inevitably re-color our perspective on the past four years.[18] It is clear, however, that single-cause explanations for the rise in inflation that focus on demand stimulus, particularly from ARPA, are misguided. Supply shocks contributed significantly to the rise in inflation in 2021 and 2022.
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U.S. News
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Will the Stock Market Crash in 2025? 4 Risk Factors | Investing | U.S. News
October 27, 2025 - Even with consumer confidence at a five-month low in October, as measured by the University of Michigan consumer sentiment survey, no one is guaranteeing a crash before the end of 2025 or even in 2026.
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Conference Board
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Economic Forecast for the US Economy
3 weeks ago - The US economy is heading into 2026 with heightened uncertainty due to the effects of evolving policy decisions. We maintain our expectation of slower growth through late 2025 and early 2026 because of tariffs, even though we slightly upgraded ...
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World Bank
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Risk of Global Recession in 2023 Rises Amid Simultaneous Rate Hikes, World Bank
September 16, 2022 - WASHINGTON, September 15, 2022—As central banks across the world simultaneously hike interest rates in response to inflation, the world may be edging toward a global recession in 2023 and a string of financial crises in emerging market and ...
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Common Causes of Economic Recession | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
Although this did not result in recession in the United States, these frictions can be seen in large price increases in several commodities, most notably energy, which fed through to high inflation.11 Many supply chain issues improved in the latter half of 2022, and most economists expect these issues to continue to improve absent further shocks.12
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Business Insider
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The 7 parts of the US economy that are already in a recession
2 weeks ago - From homebuilding to trucking, major parts of the US economy are in deep trouble. The weakness could drag the whole country into a recession.
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CNN
cnn.com › 2025 › 11 › 23 › politics › economy-tariffs-prices-ai-stock-market-analysis
Why it’s so hard to figure out the economy right now | CNN Politics
November 23, 2025 - But I don’t buy that we’re in for a crash any time soon. There is a stupid amount of money floating around, but it’s not phony baloney money — it’s backed up by legit banks and not smoke and mirrors like during the dot-com bust.
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Fortune
fortune.com › 2025 › 11 › 23 › is-ai-bubble-albert-edwards-worse-than-2008
Analyst who called the dot-com bubble says Americans are turning a deaf ear to AI warnings—and a worse meltdown than 2008 looms | Fortune
November 24, 2025 - While history often repeats itself, Edwards warned recently that the circumstances surrounding this cycle’s inevitable collapse are fundamentally different, potentially leading to a deeper and more painful reckoning for the economy and the average investor. ... “I think there’s a bubble but there again I always think there’s a bubble,” Edwards told Bloomberg’s Merryn Somerset Webb in a recent appearance on her podcast Merryn Talks Money, noting that during each cycle there is always a “very plausible narrative, very compelling.” However, he was unwavering in his conclusion: “It will end in tears, that much I’m sure of.”
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Deloitte Insights
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US Economic Forecast Q4 2025 | Deloitte Insights
1 week ago - Since our last forecast in September, we have continued to see a rapidly changing economic and policy environment. We recognize that conditions remain highly fluid, so the three forecast scenarios we present in this edition are not meant as precise estimates of where the US economy will end up.