This issue seems to be a growing complaint with the 13 Pro series. It seems like the main problems are caused by the extreme conservatism in switching to the telephoto lens and excessive sharpening and processing due to smart HDR (and unlike older models, it can’t be turned off unless you use a third party app and shoot RAW). Some of this can be chalked up to software problems that might be fixed in the future. On the other hand, there are some hardware causes to your observations as well. The main lens on the 13 Pro is a new f/1.5 lens, which IIRC is the biggest aperture on an iPhone yet (the regular 13 is 1.6). Given that apertures are fixed on most smartphone cameras, I’d assume this is what explains the softness (lower f-stop number = bigger aperture = generally softer images). In exchange, you’d mainly get better low light performance, which might be why you get better results in your 13 Pro in most conditions except in bright light—in conditions with lots of light, you usually don’t want or need a huge aperture to collect more light, and smaller apertures (generally) give sharper (i.e. more things in focus in the frame) results. The 11 Pro had an f/2.0 lens which would be much sharper since the opening is smaller. EDIT: I also see from the DP review article that the telephoto lens on the 13 Pro/Max actually has a slower (smaller) aperture than the 12 Pro series since it’s much more zoomed in, as you’ve observed. Because of this, the telephoto lens in the 13 Pro has worse low light performance than the telephoto in the 12 Pro series. This is probably why the 13 Pro keeps preferring the main lens more often, given that the main lens gathers more light. Answer from jennesp on reddit.com
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r/apple on Reddit: i hate the iPhone 13 Pro Max's camera. am i the only one ?
March 7, 2022 -

it’s mostly due to the tele-lens

I always loved the 52mm equivalent on my 8+, XS Max and 11 Pro Max cause, it gives me a similar f.o.v. than the lensesd i use the most often on my different cameras. But now it’s a 77mm and it’s just too long to take almost every type of photos. Too long to shoot people, too long for animals, too long for landscape and architecture. the only time were i’ve been happy with this longer lens is the few times where i actually wished it was way longer like for filming the weird drone that was going around my building the other day.

But when i subjectively hate this 77mm, it’s also objectively bad, like, it’s very poor in low light and apple are not confident in it, so with most apps, like the default one, if you try zoomig 3x there’s like 75% chances it won’t actually use the tele lens, but instead digitally zoom on the main lens reducing it’s resolution to barely better than 1 megapixel (720p pictures and videos basically)

I’ve spoken with apple about it on the phone, spent hours trying to diagnose my iPhone of not behaving like it should but, the sad truth is that, my iPhone does totally behave as planned by apple. And i’m mad.

My partner still has his 11 Pro Max, and now everytime we go out together and i see a picture than could be taken i borrow his iPhone then airdrop myself the picture.

Also ! The main lens, has a much much bigger sensor, but the lens is actually much worse. In most situations i do take better photos with the main lens with the 13 Pro Max than the 11 Pro Max, but there are some situations, especially closer to the subject and in good light conditions, where the 11 Pro Max takes much sharper pictures.

And globally i also find the 13 Pro Max to use too much noise reduction and especially way too much Sharpening but that can be fixed by shooting RAW.

Anyway, anybody noticed apple not going the right decision with this iPhone ? I get that most of you will disagree with me. It’s okay.

I don’t think the 13 pro max is actually bad, i think for some (maybe even most) people it’s the best iPhone. But it’s not for me, and i really want to get back on the 11 Pro Max and seriously hope apple Brings back the "52mm or so" lens with the next iPhone.

Have a nice day everyone !

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Both my 12 Pro Max and 13 Pro Max way overprocess images and I'm surprised people haven't complained about it more.
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This issue seems to be a growing complaint with the 13 Pro series. It seems like the main problems are caused by the extreme conservatism in switching to the telephoto lens and excessive sharpening and processing due to smart HDR (and unlike older models, it can’t be turned off unless you use a third party app and shoot RAW). Some of this can be chalked up to software problems that might be fixed in the future. On the other hand, there are some hardware causes to your observations as well. The main lens on the 13 Pro is a new f/1.5 lens, which IIRC is the biggest aperture on an iPhone yet (the regular 13 is 1.6). Given that apertures are fixed on most smartphone cameras, I’d assume this is what explains the softness (lower f-stop number = bigger aperture = generally softer images). In exchange, you’d mainly get better low light performance, which might be why you get better results in your 13 Pro in most conditions except in bright light—in conditions with lots of light, you usually don’t want or need a huge aperture to collect more light, and smaller apertures (generally) give sharper (i.e. more things in focus in the frame) results. The 11 Pro had an f/2.0 lens which would be much sharper since the opening is smaller. EDIT: I also see from the DP review article that the telephoto lens on the 13 Pro/Max actually has a slower (smaller) aperture than the 12 Pro series since it’s much more zoomed in, as you’ve observed. Because of this, the telephoto lens in the 13 Pro has worse low light performance than the telephoto in the 12 Pro series. This is probably why the 13 Pro keeps preferring the main lens more often, given that the main lens gathers more light.
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Apple iPhone 13 Pro Max Camera test - DXOMARK
September 20, 2022 - Both cameras manage good exposure on the subjects, but limited dynamic range means the sky in the background is clipped fairly heavily. Detail is good on the front subject, but the larger sensor in the new models comes with a slightly more limited ...
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i hate the iPhone 13 Pro Max's camera. am i the only one ?
This issue seems to be a growing complaint with the 13 Pro series. It seems like the main problems are caused by the extreme conservatism in switching to the telephoto lens and excessive sharpening and processing due to smart HDR (and unlike older models, it can’t be turned off unless you use a third party app and shoot RAW). Some of this can be chalked up to software problems that might be fixed in the future. On the other hand, there are some hardware causes to your observations as well. The main lens on the 13 Pro is a new f/1.5 lens, which IIRC is the biggest aperture on an iPhone yet (the regular 13 is 1.6). Given that apertures are fixed on most smartphone cameras, I’d assume this is what explains the softness (lower f-stop number = bigger aperture = generally softer images). In exchange, you’d mainly get better low light performance, which might be why you get better results in your 13 Pro in most conditions except in bright light—in conditions with lots of light, you usually don’t want or need a huge aperture to collect more light, and smaller apertures (generally) give sharper (i.e. more things in focus in the frame) results. The 11 Pro had an f/2.0 lens which would be much sharper since the opening is smaller. EDIT: I also see from the DP review article that the telephoto lens on the 13 Pro/Max actually has a slower (smaller) aperture than the 12 Pro series since it’s much more zoomed in, as you’ve observed. Because of this, the telephoto lens in the 13 Pro has worse low light performance than the telephoto in the 12 Pro series. This is probably why the 13 Pro keeps preferring the main lens more often, given that the main lens gathers more light. More on reddit.com
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The iPhone 13 Pro camera remains awful, still, due to the ridiculous over-saturated after effects it applies automatically to every picture.

All my pictures that I've taken with my 13 Pro Max look amazing.

I keep seeing this complaint but I haven't encountered it. Is it a problem with only some iPhones?

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Why is the iPhone 13 camera so bad?!
I thought you couldn't turn off the HDR in iPhones 13 and owards. I think you might've just disabled the HDR for videos, which wouldn't fix the issue with pictures. Some people use third party apps to avoid that issue (I don't have an iPhone 13 so I don't know how well that works). More on reddit.com
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iPhone 13 Pro Max Camera Quality - Apple Community
There are real issues with the iPhone 13 Pro Max camera. This is actually the reason I came here, to ask for help and find answers. Phophi19, the only solution I’ve found to good camera quality is to use the “.5”, “1”, and “3” zoom levels.
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iPhone 13 Pro Camera Review: Tanzania — Travel Photographer - Austin Mann
September 14, 2022 - Think of macro as a fourth lens that offers an entirely new camera capability, not just an iterative increase. If you’re a non-Max user, remember this year is a more substantial upgrade to the 13 Pro as you make a leap to a bigger sensor and the 33% increase in the Telephoto lens. The iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max camera systems are identical, so you don’t need to debate between them based on camera capabilities.
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The iPhone 13 Pro Camera Review – The Sweet Setup
October 29, 2021 - The ultra-wide camera can capture 92% more light than its predecessor, dramatically impacting the sharpness, detail, and noise control in ultra-wide photos. This is due to the improved f/1.8 aperture lens.
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Whats the best settings of camera and video in iPhone 13 pro max? - Quora
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iPhone 13 Pro: The Edge of Intelligent Photography
February 2, 2022 - When you shoot handheld, the more you zoom, the more susceptible you are to motion blur due to the subtle movements of your arm holding the phone. As a rule of thumb, when shooting handheld you should set your shutter speed to twice the focal length of the lens. The telephoto camera on the iPhone 12 Pro Max had a 65mm focal length, so the math worked out to 1/130th of a second.
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I tested iPhone 14 Pro Max vs iPhone 13 Pro Max cameras — and the results are surprising | Tom's Guide
October 11, 2022 - Using the telephoto to zoom in on a detail of the pub's architecture, the colors now seem more natural looking on the iPhone 13 Pro Max from my perspective, although the brighter sky on the iPhone 14 Pro Max is nice. The 14 Pro Max has an advantage with detail though, as you can make out the texture of the window beneath the smiley face on the pub more easily. Now we move to the night mode shots, and it's here that Apple's Photonic Engine really kicks in to deliver improved results for the iPhone 14 Pro Max. Take this main camera shot, looking again at the Shard but this time from London Bridge with the River Thames in the foreground.
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iPhone 13 Pro review: a better display, the best camera, and incredible battery life | The Verge
The camera systems on the iPhone 13 Pro and the 13 Pro Max are identical this year, which means you don’t have to buy the bigger and more expensive phone to get the best photos. And I do mean best photos because there isn’t another phone on the market that can match the iPhone 13 Pro.
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iPhone 13 Pro Max the perfect solution for photo and video on-the-go - Photofocus
April 25, 2022 - The iPhone 13 is the best iPhone yet. And it brings some groundbreaking features that both casual and pro shooters will love. Cinematic mode works excellent, and is a great way to get creative with filmmaking · Low-light photography is vastly improved across the board · Macro mode works really well, with great, sharp details present ... Same camera systems between the Pro and Pro Max versions mean you don’t need a bigger phone for the best experience
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How does the camera system of the iPhone 13 Pro Max compare to professional-grade cameras? - Quora
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iPhone 13 Pro vs. 12 Pro Max night mode comparison: Which is best in the dark? - CNET
November 30, 2021 - The camera upgrades promise even better images than the previous iPhone 12 Pro Max thanks to a larger main image sensor, a wider aperture and various software improvements across all its lenses.
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iPhone 13 Pro and 13 Pro Max Review: Improvements All Around | PetaPixel
December 8, 2022 - Apple says the primary camera’s image sensor on the iPhone 13 Pro and Pro Max is 84% larger than their 11 Pro and Pro Max counterparts. The 13 Pros also have a wider aperture at f/1.5, which should bring in 2.8x more light.
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iPhone 13 Pro and Pro Max review: Apple saved the real upgrade for the Pros
September 24, 2021 - With faster screens, superb performance and long-lasting batteries, the iPhone 13 Pro and Pro Max are excellent phones. If you’re on a device older than a 12 Pro, you should consider upgrading just for the new ProMotion displays. Though the cameras also got a noteworthy improvement, I’m not sure they’re going to be the biggest draw. It’s honestly hard to spot the difference in quality between photos taken by Apple’s recent flagships.
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Two Months With Apple’s iPhone 13 Pro Max
December 10, 2021 - And it’s my iPhone that I usually have with me on hikes and day trips. The addition of an ultra-wide camera, the increase of the optical telephoto to 3X zoom, and features not available in the XS Max like night mode, cinematic mode, RAW capability, and macro mode were the reason I bought the iPhone 13 Pro Max.
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How good is the iPhone 13 Pro Max camera? - Quora
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I Tested the Apple iPhone 13 Pro. The Camera Quality Is Ridiculous. - Outside Online
September 22, 2021 - A pro-quality, full-frame sensor hasn’t been squeezed into an iPhone—yet—but the sensor behind the Pro 13’s 26-millimeter wide camera is the company’s largest sensor to date, and it makes a difference. Paired with a faster f/1.5 aperture, that sensor allows the wide camera lens to take in 2.2 times more light than the 12 Pro’s wide camera, and nearly 1.5 times more light than the 12 Pro Max’s wide camera.
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$5,000 Pro Camera vs iPhone 13 Pro: Can You See the Difference? | Fstoppers
October 19, 2021 - Apple Announces iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Plus: Enhanced Camera, Apple Intelligence, and Improved Durability ... Pretty impressive, the only slight give away is the tonality in the shadows, but that might be how they are edited ... Proof positive that my iPhone 13 Max (1TB) is very weak when it comes to dynamic range and sharpness.
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iPhone 13 Pro Max Photo and Video Camera Review + Download Sample Photos — JULIA TROTTI | Photography Tutorials + Camera and Lens Reviews
September 30, 2021 - In this iPhone 13 Pro Max camera review, we are testing portrait photography, video and low light photos. During our portrait photoshoot with the iPhone 13 Pro, I use a continuous light in a bright studio to test the quality and sharpness of the standard camera, wide angle lens, zoom functions ...
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Apple iPhone 13 Pro Max review: Camera: Photo quality
October 5, 2021 - We're talking accurate if somewhat unexciting colors, and wide dynamic range, but not in-your-face HDR - iPhones prefer a more contrasty look. Detail is good - as good as any other 12MP main camera, really.