Its just me or this a crazy good deal? More on reddit.com

Personally the only thing I've ever found it useful for is occasional scrolling. Most touch screens have a glossy finish that I don't like, and even with their "anti fingerprint" coating, they'll get fingerprints on them. I had a couple of the same model laptop each with some dead parts that I combined into one. One had a touch screen one didn't. I found the non-touch screen much better looking, so I went with that one. I guess it depends, if you use the touch screen a lot, $20 is not much, though I would personally never buy an HP laptop, it will probably have more issues and die long before that renewed Dell. Don't be too afraid of renewed, it is sold via amazon renewed which comes with warranty and return policy. That laptop is far better (as long as you don't mind the smaller screen). Though I would want to add another 8G of RAM to it, 16 is sort of the minimum nowadays. More on reddit.com

aliexpress prices fluctuating around 100-150EUR, do you really need it? If you use your laptop docked maybe just use an external monitor More on reddit.com

Depends, do you want to game (and by that I mean, is it a priority besides indie games or older games) and is the touchscreen important? If the answer to the first is yes, then I'm almost certain you can find better, according to what I've seen on r/suggestalaptop (I highly recommend asking them for advice too and filling out the form in the sidebar as you do so). But if you want a touchscreen and/or aren't open to upgrading RAM yourself (I often find it's best to buy 8 GB in the laptop and buy a separate 8 GB yourself), then that's probably a decent choice. You did say general use, and for that it's pretty good IFF you have checked reviews for build quality (HP can be dodgy on some of their lines) and thermals. But since you posted on a gaming subreddit, thought I'd add that caveat above. Worth noting that I don't live in the US but I'm basing this off prices in that sub for general/gaming/touchscreen laptops. Touchscreen plus gaming usually cost a decent bit more but just one or the other is about that price, afaik. If touchscreen and gaming aren't important but you want longevity, consider a more business-grade laptop like Thinkpads. Someone more knowledgeable might come along though :) Edit: Why did I think I was on low end gaming lmao. I see many laptop posts there and it was late, apologies! More on reddit.com