It is embarassing because in the uk somalis are known to take benefits and they dont feel embarassed. They seem to think it comes from god and not from the hard work of the tax payer citizens ? It has gotten better lately and I do see way more somalis working but its still bad. Even in Somalia itself the craftsmen (madhiban people) are despised even though theyre needed. Why are somalis so backwards !?!?

Why do you still live in Minnesota? Why not move to hotter states like Texas or New Mexico?

That number is based off of the number of daycares that list Somali as an official language. However, if you look at this list, most of them do not list an official language (similar to how many of them don't have a home address) but very clearly have almost identical names to daycare centers that do have Somali as an official language, usually just someone's name.

Check out the list here, this is within 10 miles of Burien, one of the larger population centers of the Somali community: day care list.

Of the first 50 I looked through of the 1,000+ entries, 49 of them appear to be Somali owned but only 17 of them list Somali as the official language. Just look at the list yourself.

Taking politics out, what are the actual mechanics of how the alleged scam works

I like to lurk r/conservative and this subreddit just to monitor the heartbeat of people I heavily disagree with. In many ways it's more informative as it presents a different viewpoint than the subreddits I already agree with.

Recently, it's almost as if every post there is about Somali aid and Tim Walz. Can any conservative give me their objective explanation about why it's such a big deal (if it's a big deal)? It's not something leftist aggregates are focusing on, so I'm genuinely curious if it's a big deal or a nothing burger.

Update:

I want to thank everyone for commenting here. Judging by the number of comments this is clearly an important issue for most people. As it should be, large scale fraud should absolutely be stomped out.

It seems there is overwhelming evidence that there is/was fraud. Any reasonable person would arrive to that conclusion. The question is whether state government leadership was complicit. I see compelling arguments for both sides. Regardless, the fact fraud of that scale happened is an indictment on leadership either through complicitness or incompetence.

I see some people bring up other types of fraud in other states. While such cases are also deplorable and true, I want to avoid the whataboutism we accuse the right of doing. The original question was about Minnesota fraud, and that should be the focus.

Some MAGA influencer goes to a daycare during holiday season, demands to see the kids, and was denied entry by the daycare owners. He shows no press credentials and concludes that rampant fraud exists because he couldn't see kids on one occasion.

All I am thinking is, "MAGA influencers really made random shmucks believe they can be ​serious journalists just by badgering people for interviews."

I don't know much about fraud, but I assume that it tends to be more sophisticated than that. I personally believe there is some fraud that exists among Somali daycares in Minnesota, but I assume it is more likely to be of the act of **exaggerating the number of kids in the program rather than a complete scam where the daycares are completely empty.**

What is even more retarded is conservatives believing that because this story has been ​underreported (in their eyes), that they should immediately believe ​any fake journalism that confirms their priors.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5VRZ_DtOx58&pp=ygUDQ25u

Phase 1 (Years 1-5): Stabilization & National Mobilization

1. Centralized Government & Super Nationalism

• Establish a strong, centralized government with full control over the country.

• End clan-based politics; replace it with a unified Somali national identity.

• Launch a National Service Program: All citizens must serve two years in military, civil service, or infrastructure projects.

• National Media & Education Campaigns: Reinforce Somali identity, history, and nationalism.

• Ban foreign political interference and promote national self-sufficiency.

• Techniques to Incite Nationalism:

• National Heroes & Mythology: Promote historical Somali warriors, poets, and leaders as national symbols.

• Mass Rallies & Celebrations: Organize national festivals, parades, and youth programs reinforcing Somali unity.

• State-Controlled Media & Entertainment: Use TV, music, and social media to spread nationalist content.

• Education Reform: Mandatory nationalist curriculum in schools emphasizing Somali greatness.

• Language Standardization: Enforce Somali as the primary language across all sectors.

• Cultural Revival Programs: Restore and promote Somali art, music, and literature.

2. Economic Stabilization & Infrastructure Expansion

• Secure foreign direct investment (FDI) from China, UAE, Turkey, and Western investors for infrastructure.

• Begin megaprojects: highways, railways, electricity grids, and modernized ports in Mogadishu, Berbera, Kismayo, and Bosaso.

• Launch resource extraction and processing industries: oil refining, mineral processing, and sustainable fishing.

• Build industrial parks to attract foreign companies to manufacture goods inside Somalia.

• Initiate trade agreements with Ethiopia, Kenya, the GCC, and China to strengthen exports.

3. Reforestation & Environmental Restoration

• Plant 500 million+ trees over 20 years to combat desertification.

• Implement strict anti-deforestation laws and develop government-managed forests.

• Invest in water conservation: dam construction, irrigation systems, and desalination plants.

• Promote green energy (solar, wind, hydro) for rural electrification.

🚀 Goal: Secure 7-10% GDP growth annually and reduce unemployment below 20%.

Phase 2 (Years 6-10): Industrialization & Trade Hub Development

1. Manufacturing & High-Value Industry Development

• Expand heavy industry (steel, cement, shipbuilding, and oil refining).

• Incentivize private-sector-led industrialization, modeled after South Korea and UAE.

• Establish automotive, textile, and electronics assembly plants for domestic and export use.

• Develop Somali-made consumer brands for African and global markets.

2. Global Trade & Finance Hub

• Make Somalia Africa’s main shipping & logistics center by modernizing its ports.

• Establish Free Trade Zones (FTZs) with tax incentives for international corporations.

• Launch a Somali Stock Exchange (SSE) to attract capital and investment.

• Strengthen Islamic banking & fintech to become a global leader in Sharia-compliant finance.

• Expand regional trade alliances, positioning Somalia as an economic powerhouse in the Horn of Africa.

3. Military & Security Strengthening

• Modernize the Somali Armed Forces into a self-sufficient military.

• Strengthen the Somali Navy & Coast Guard to eliminate piracy and secure shipping lanes.

• Establish defense manufacturing to produce arms, ammunition, and military vehicles.

• Implement mandatory firearms training for all adult citizens as part of national defense readiness.

🚀 Goal: GDP surpasses $100 billion, industrial output doubles, Somalia dominates Horn of Africa trade.

Phase 3 (Years 11-15): Advanced Economy & Technological Leadership

1. High-Tech Industry & Innovation Economy

• Invest heavily in AI, robotics, and biotech to lead in technological innovation.

• Expand digital infrastructure: high-speed internet, e-government services, and smart cities.

• Build research universities focusing on medicine, engineering, and technology.

• Create Somali Aerospace & Space Research Program to launch satellites.

2. Agriculture & Food Security Expansion

• Develop modern farming techniques using AI and precision agriculture.

• Convert arid land into fertile farmland through irrigation projects.

• Establish food processing industries to export Somali agricultural products.

• Increase livestock farming for global halal meat markets.

3. Cultural & Soft Power Influence

• Expand Somali state media (TV, radio, and film) to influence global narratives.

• Develop national sports teams and cultural industries (music, cinema, fashion).

• Promote Somali language & culture worldwide.

• Neutrality & Ethnic Somali Integration Plan:

• Strengthen Somali Kinship Abroad: Foster strong cross-border economic and cultural ties with ethnic Somalis in Ethiopia, Kenya, and Djibouti.Leverage Economic Influence: Encourage ethnic Somalis to hold key business and political positions in neighboring states.Education & Trade Programs: Offer scholarships and business investments for ethnic Somalis in those countries.Somali Cultural Centers: Establish hubs in Kenya, Ethiopia, and Djibouti to reinforce Somali heritage.Non-Military Unity Strategy: Encourage soft-power diplomacy to integrate ethnic Somalis under Somali leadership without border disputes.

🚀 Goal: GDP reaches $250 billion, per capita income moves to upper middle-income levels.

Phase 4 (Years 16-20): First-World Transition

1. Full Industrial & Financial Independence

• Develop Somali multinational corporations to compete on a global scale.

• Shift from industrial to high-value production (pharmaceuticals, AI, robotics, aviation).

• Finalize energy independence via renewables, nuclear, and advanced energy technologies.

• Strengthen global economic alliances, including entry into G20 and leading global institutions.

2. Hyper-Urbanization & Social Development

• Build modern high-tech cities modeled after Singapore and Dubai.

• Implement universal healthcare, education, and welfare to match first-world living standards.

• Develop public transportation networks including metro systems and high-speed rail.

🚀 Goal: Somalia becomes Africa’s wealthiest and most advanced country, with GDP exceeding $500 billion and per capita income reaching $20,000+.

Final Vision: Somalia as a Hyper-Nationalist, Eco-Industrial Superpower

🔹 A unified, nationalist Somali identity with zero clan-based divisions. �� A leading global economy, driven by manufacturing, trade, and high-tech industries. 🔹 A self-sufficient, militarily strong nation with full economic sovereignty. 🔹 A green, reforested country leading in sustainable development. 🔹 A neutral but strategically influential country with strong Somali kinship ties abroad.

With super nationalism, economic discipline, and aggressive modernization, Somalia can surpass Africa and rival global powers within two decades.

Hi. So I'm a westerner with no real concept of the third world. I came across a recent statistic that showed that Somalia has a 20%+ unemployment rate. Yet the life expectancy is 56 years old. I'm curious how Somalians can live so long with such a high unemployment rate. How do most people make their living then? Do jobs even exist? What do people do to feed themselves and afford rent? Sorry for the ignorant questions I'm just very sheltered but curious as to the realities of the third world.

Are most Somalians still happy and content with life? Or are most depressed and suicidal due to grim prospects?

Submission statement: The article describes how some of the welfare funds in Minnesota were fraudulently diverted to Al-Shabaab. The article highlights the involvement of members of the Somali community in Minnesota, including politicians and businessmen, in the fraud schemes. The article also mentions that the fraudsters used sophisticated methods to launder the money, including using shell companies and hawala networks.

This article is a couple months old now but what’s happening isnt new and hasn’t stopped. People frequently post here about how “the west pays the bills” and “we shouldn’t piss them off” but who’s bills are they paying? What value has the government generated for the aid to be worth it? Centralizing power for the government that can’t pay its own bills is soft colonization. If corrupt politicians are making more money as a failed state, why would they even want to function? Thoughts?

The Somali daycare fraud isn’t shocking, it’s exactly what you’d predict. People raised in a kin-based, failed state don’t start following abstract rules just because they moved to a high-trust society. Protecting your clan, maximizing resources, and treating government rules as optional? Totally rational. Blacked-out windows, empty classrooms, evasive staff, this isn’t moral failure. It’s material reality meeting predictable incentives.

Want to integrate people like this successfully? Real enforcement, visible consequences, and accountability. You can’t treat them like a blank slate. Their kin will cover for them, and I’d probably do the same in their shoes. I hold no ill will for people doing exactly what I would do in their shoes. Lax oversight guarantees this outcome.

Do you think the state government will ever admit to their wrong doing by allowing so many Somali refugees to assimilate in Minnesota? It’s puzzling to me that I see the Somali population in my neighborhood driving brand new vehicles while at the same time never leaving their house. There are multiple vehicles at these houses at all times of the day so I know for a fact they are not working. Are they just living off tax payers dollars for the most part?

Hi everyone,

Can anybody explain to me the intricacies of the fraud case in Minnesota as I’m very confused about the indictment itself I just watched a news report with face the nation and Ilhan was explaining her side and she said she had reported to the secretary of EGG i’m not sure what that acronym stands for but the news reporter when interviewing Ilhan said out of the 80 people in the indictment only 8 people were Somali also someone I know told me it wasn’t billions that was siphoned it was roughly around $250 million and the head of the welfare program was apparently a white woman which begs the question what happened to her afterwards?

Wallahi I believe only educated diaspora Somalia can revive Somalia and help remove tribalism and bring in the correct interpretation of Islam and build our country. It’s time to stop hoping for things and actually take action. I would like to create a discussion rather it be a weekly zoom or group. Let me know what your opinion is. Inshallah Somali will be revived and we will leave this dark age by the will of Allah.

It’s beautiful how open and friendly somalis are to each other, specially in foreign countries. It is something i love about somalis. I have been to many countries and saw many cultures, but the somali one is rare. Everywhere i went I always found that one person who is willing to help with anything. I hope this part of humanity stays. And kindness and love is spread regardless of someone qabil. I’m ethnically somali but culturally, i wish i was. Eid mubark.