7800X3D is a very hot CPU by design (both VF curve and the fact how the 3D cache is stacked on top instead of below the substrate, such as in the 9800X3D). If you arent hitting 85C with cinebench, something is off. How are your scores? Now I see you understand PBO undervolts so you boost longer, always trying to reach max allowed temps. First try to reach that temp, then start the Curve Optimizer or Curve Shaper (better IMO) journey. Also, please keep in mind, it isnt overclocking per se, you’re just tweaking your cpu to run at the limit for longer. 9800X3D boosts all cores at 5.25Ghz whereas 7800X3D only does so for some cores and at a 5.05Ghz. Edit: check LLC. Answer from SurstrommingFish on reddit.com
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reddit.com › r/overclocking › pbo limits for 7800x3d ppt tdc edc on gigabyte x670 mobo
r/overclocking on Reddit: PBO Limits for 7800x3D PPT TDC EDC on Gigabyte X670 Mobo
January 30, 2024 -

I just want max performance, I have really good cooling. I saw skatterbencher settings for running 5.5GHz or something he claims, I figure those numbers are too high and his mobo is much better, so before I fry my chip I thought I should ask for your expertise. What do I put for those PBO limits? Thanks in advance

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reddit.com › r/amd › pbo with 7800x3d
r/Amd on Reddit: PBO with 7800x3d
May 1, 2023 -

Wondering if anyone has experience with using PBO and curve optimizer with the 7800x3d. I’ve went-30 nothing happens. Boost clock offset nothing happens. Manual Thermal limit nothing happens.

I spent hours messing with these settings and always get 18500-18600 in cinebench. 18605 was my highest. Pulls around 87w. 4.919mhz max boost.

I’ve seen some say this is normal but watching online people are making huge drops in watts.

If I’m stupid just tell me. Coming from 8700k. That’s the last year I built a pc. Never had amd. Thanks.

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reddit.com › r/overclocking › is pbo on a 7800x3d worth it?
r/overclocking on Reddit: Is PBO on a 7800x3D worth it?
December 9, 2025 -

New AMD user here. Upgraded from a 9900k to a 7800x3D. I have experience overclocking the Intel platforms from various generations. Very new to AMD stuff.

Heard PBO Curve editor could potentially squeeze out some extra performance by undervolting... but will I really notice a real world difference if I don't have problems with temps?

Don't really want to have a run in with messing with system stability for a 1-2% gain in overall performance/fps in games.

I use a Noctua NH-D15 and on Cinebench stress tests I hit max 70C on all cores at stock. No PBO set. Only thing set is EXPO for RAM

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reddit.com › r/amdhelp › 7800x3d soc, pbo, ppt, tdc, & edc settings for cooler thermals
r/AMDHelp on Reddit: 7800X3D SOC, PBO, PPT, TDC, & EDC Settings for cooler thermals
May 3, 2024 -

I have have done lots of research and tinkering to cool the 7800X3D with little to no performance loss in gaming and everyday workloads. Idle temp of 43C and gaming temp of 65C - 70C.

Specs:

  • AMD 7800X3D

  • 32 GB G.Skill Flare X5 6000 Mhz with EXPO II

  • Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming WiFi

  • ASRock AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT Phantom Gaming 20GB OC

  • Lian Li O11 Air Mini

  • 9 x Thermalright TL-C12PRO 120mm

  • Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE

  • Corsair RM1000e PSU

BIOS Settings under Advanced:

  • SOC Voltage - 1.2V

  • PPT - 85000 mW or 85 W

  • TDC - 75000 mW or 75 W

  • EDC - 150000 mW or 150 W

  • PBO - Each core set to -25

  • Thermal Llimit - 85

  • Medium Load Boostit - DIsabled under AI Tweaks

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reddit.com › r/overclocking › [7800x3d] boost capped around 5050mhz — despite pbo, curve optimizer, and clean setup
r/overclocking on Reddit: [7800X3D] Boost Capped Around 5050MHz — Despite PBO, Curve Optimizer, and Clean Setup
June 13, 2025 -

Hey everyone,

I’ve been fine-tuning my 7800X3D on an ASUS X670-Pro motherboard. The system runs with good thermals, and despite what I believe is a solid setup, my CPU refuses to boost past ~5050MHz — even with all the right BIOS and Windows-level optimizations in place.

System Specs

CPU: Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard: ASUS X670-Pro (latest BIOS)
RAM: 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR5-6400 A-Die (running stable at 6200MT/s CL32, 1.35v, SOC 1.25v)
OS: Clean install of Windows 11, debloated with only essential services running
Power Plan: Balanced

BIOS Settings (All under AI Tweaker)

  • AI Overclock Tuner: DOCP I (DDR5-6400)

  • Memory Frequency: Manually set to 6200MT/s

  • DRAM Voltage: 1.35V

  • SOC Voltage: 1.25V

  • Precision Boost Overdrive: Manual

    • PPT: 210W

    • TDC: 145A

    • EDC: 190A

    • Boost Override: +200MHz

    • Scalar: Auto or 1X

    • Curve Optimizer: Per core (-5 to -20 based on preferred cores)

  • BCLK: 100.00 MHz

  • Spread Spectrum: Disabled

  • FCLK: Tried fixed at 2000, 2033, and 2067

  • Memory Context Restore: Disabled

  • Power Down Enable: Disabled

Observations

  • Cinebench R23/R24 (single core) never pushes above 5040–5100MHz

  • Cinebench doesn’t consistently use one core — it fluctuates

  • I’ve manually tested affinity per core — some cores did hit ~5250MHz before

  • HWInfo shows effective clock rarely reaching theoretical boost

  • Temps stay within safe range (<85°C multi, <65°C single)

  • No background apps like SignalRGB, Armoury Crate, etc. running

  • Tried resetting BIOS, clean Windows, and removing all curve/PBO settings

  • CPU-Z BCLK fluctuates slightly (~99.95–100.1) but HWINFO is steady

What I’m Trying to Understand

  • Why did I previously see 5200+ MHz but now capped closer to 5050?

  • Could Cinebench be a poor representation of true boosting?

  • Am I missing a Windows setting or subtle BIOS toggle?

TL;DR
Clean Windows 11, 7800X3D, PBO + CO (-5 to -20), +200 boost override, stable 6200 MT/s RAM. Previously saw 5250MHz+ in SC loads — now stuck at ~5050. Temps and power limits are fine. Looking for advice on what could be limiting boost now.

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reddit.com › r/amdhelp › safe and optimal settings for my 7800x3d?
Safe and optimal settings for my 7800x3d? : r/AMDHelp
May 19, 2025 - I would leave thermal limit alone ... I would not start at -40, and that is coming from personal experience. The best you can get on a 7800X3D is -30 in curve optimizer....
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reddit.com › r/amd › 7800x3d pbo / curve optimizer results
r/Amd on Reddit: 7800X3D PBO / Curve Optimizer Results
August 9, 2023 - Got my 7800x3D to 19436 in cinebench by using curve optimizer negative offset. I think I've pushed it as far as it'll go. ... I found that I can access PBO settings two different ways, and when I try to make changes while accessing PBO settings ...
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reddit.com › r/overclocking › looking for advice on pbo and curve optimiser for 7800x3d
r/overclocking on Reddit: Looking for advice on PBO and curve optimiser for 7800X3D
April 17, 2024 -

First time PC builder here, and I was playing around with PBO and CO but I'm not exactly sure if I might have missed a setting or two in BIOS.

PBO was set to enhancement with thermal limit increased to 90C.

CO offset to -35

RAM set to EXPO II @ 6000mhz CL30.

I have encountered zero thermal throttling issues on both prime95 and cinebench. Temperatures averaging around 62C and 78C respectively.

CPU sits at 4.5 ghz for prime95 and stable 4.9 ghz on cinebench. With no stability issue encountered. Final score 17971 but I'm not sure if that's average or not.

Are there any settings that I have missed or should I attempt a lower CO offset since everything is going suspiciously well in my opinion.

Hardware

CPU: 7800X3D

Motherboard: ASUS ROG Crossfire X670E Hero with updated BIOS

RAM: 2x Corsair EXPO sticks

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reddit.com › r/overclocking › 7800x3d seems to hit a hard package power limit regardless of pbo settings
r/overclocking on Reddit: 7800X3D seems to hit a hard package power limit regardless of PBO settings
November 30, 2023 - Considering the Gene is supposed to be one of the premier overclocking boards, I'm surprised they don't have voltage offsets available. ... The voltage restriction for the X3D is from AMD. Too much Vcore will quickly damage the 3D cache.
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reddit.com › r/amdhelp › am i leaving performance off the table by disabling pbo with 7800x3d?
r/AMDHelp on Reddit: Am I leaving performance off the table by disabling PBO with 7800x3D?
August 4, 2024 -

My goal is to keep my system completely stock, no overclocking and within AMD spec. Like my RAM speed for example I want to keep it at 5200mt/s as that is what AMD officially supports as the max for this chip.
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But what I'm confused about is what exactly is considered "not an overclock" by AMD with the 7800x3D. Do I just keep the standard "Core Performance Boost" enabled and let the single core clock boost to 5Ghz as that is what is in the specs for the chip, or should I still look at enabling PBO? It's not clear to me if enabling PBO is actually considered an "overclock" and I've tried Googling this (and searching here) without a clear answer. Using Curve Optimizer does seem to be out of the question as I'm looking for a completely stable system and I don't like the idea of possible instabilities with undervolting (which is overclocking or maybe it isn't with this chip?).
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Just looking for clarity on this. My understanding, which could be wrong, is that PBO is lifting some limits to increase the voltage to get a higher clock speed as long as the power and thermal overhead are available to it. On paper it does read like an "overclock", but considering the CPU at stock dynamically changes frequency under load I am not sure either. So if this isn't considered an "overclock" then I would enable it if there's room for performance gain but otherwise all I really care about is stability and not overclocking.
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GPU: Asus RTX4090

CPU: 7800x3D

Motherboard: Asrock B650M-HDV/M.2

BIOS Version: 3.01

RAM: Crucial 32GB Kit (16GBx2) DDR5-5200 UDIMM - JEDEC timings

PSU: Corsair AX1600i

Case: Fractal Torrent

Operating System & Version: Windows 11 23H2

GPU Drivers: GEFORCE GAME READY DRIVER - WHQL Driver Version: 560.70

Chipset Drivers:AMD REV 6.07.22.037

Background Applications: N/A

Description of Original Problem: Trying to figure out if PBO is considered an overclock by AMD.

Troubleshooting: I've done googling on this but haven't reached a clear answer that I'm sure about.

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Is there a specific reason you don’t want to overclock? To answer your question: of course you’re leaving performance off the table. Enabling EXPO and doing a PBO CO offset are two of the easiest options to enable ever that result in good performance increases. Also, enabling PBO and setting a CO doesn’t necessarily raise voltages. In fact, like many AMD engineers have said “Undervolting is the new overclocking”. Most people utilize PBO algorithms to set CO offsets in the negative, reducing voltages across all cores on the CCD. For example, mine is stable at -23 all core. PBO sets an offset for given voltages across the curve, reducing how much each core draws to maintain certain clock speeds. Less voltage for the same performance reduces operating temperatures. Ryzen, for every 10C or so you take off of the temperature, the algorithm likes to boost 100Mhz or so in addition. For example, if you are hitting 85C with effective clock speeds of 4,750Mhz all core, that’s essentially the max you’ll get. While 89C is the max, X3D chips like to stay a few degrees below the max. However, if you were to change your cooling solution, say an AIO or liquid cooling, and all of a sudden your CPU is only hitting 75C when boosting to 4,750, it will then boost up to 4,850Mhz (which will also raise the temps up from 75C of course) So basically, by setting a negative offset, what you are doing is reducing the temps and increasing your performance. Where your CPU might have only boosted to 4,800Mhz all core, it may now boost to 4,850 or 4,900, or maybe even 4,950Mhz. Depends on your CPU, depends on the silicon and the cores and how strong of an offset you can set. While this is undervolting and not “overclocking” in the colloquial way we use the term, it is considered “””overclocking””” by AMD. However, despite what any warnings say, nobody would be able to tell you enabled it, and it will not void your warranty. Even if you ran PBO for years and your CPU died for whatever reason, you can still RMA it. They will not be able to tell you used PBO.
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You are losing a lot of performance with no xmp.
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reddit.com › r/overclocking › 7800x3d pbo curve optimizer -40 stability testing?
r/overclocking on Reddit: 7800X3D PBO Curve Optimizer -40 Stability Testing?
May 10, 2025 -

Hi there,

i read some threads before posting this but havent found "the" answer.

For the first time i try to tune my 7800X3D. Step 1 is making PBO CO stable, Step 2 is reducing the Power Limit to improve Efficiency.

However i am in Step 1 now and i am running my CPU with CO -40 on All Cores.
-45 gives me Windows crashes after some Minutes, but -40 is running for a while now (Windows, Cinebench23, different Games).
Side note: I do not want to put extreme effort in this and therefore wont opzimize per core.

The question:
How can i test if -40 is 1000% stable? Of course i can run CB23 and Prime, but when will i be really safe that -40 is stable and i can continue with other tuning (Power Limit or RAM Primary Timings) to be sure PBO CO wont cause issues later.

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reddit.com › r/overclocking › 7800x3d pbo overclocking results
r/overclocking on Reddit: 7800x3D PBO overclocking results
June 16, 2024 - It's not only the best CPU overall but also the best SFF CPU. With PBO -25 and a PPT limit of 70 W, it runs at 75°C while maintaining much higher clocks than the default configuration.
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forum.level1techs.com › t › 7800x3d-soc-pbo-ppt-tdc-edc-settings-for-cooler-thermals › 210706
7800X3D SOC, PBO, PPT, TDC, & EDC Settings for cooler thermals - Hardware Hub / CPU - Level1Techs Forums
May 6, 2024 - I have done lots of research and tinkering to cool the 7800X3D with little to no performance loss in gaming and everyday workloads. Idle temps of 41C - 43C and gaming temp of 65C - 70C.
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reddit.com › r/amd › 7800x3d pbo settings sharing and benchmark results. for science.
r/Amd on Reddit: 7800X3D PBO Settings sharing and benchmark results. For science.
April 17, 2023 - ... only reaffirms 13600k and 7700x as best value overall, no need to deal with shitty binned 7600xs or fire hazard 13900ks especially with used 13600ks and 7700xs going for ~$220 ... my 7800x3d 4090fe x670ei strix can only handle -27pbo.
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reddit.com › r/overclocking › 7800x3d pbo
r/overclocking on Reddit: 7800x3d PBO
June 6, 2023 -

Hey guys, I'm new to all this so please do correct what I'm doing wrong

I got a 7800x3d with Asrock x670E and DDR5 6000 CL30, and I'm trying to enable PBO on it but can't seem to get anything out of it

Cinebench score is the exact same with PBO - Disabled / PBO - Enabled / PBO - Advanced with 200+ and offset -30, -30, -6, -14, -19, -26, -16, -23 and temperature is around 63C with all of the settings with voltage maxing at 1.000.

If anyone could point to me what I'm doing wrong that would be appreciated

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7800x3d is locked at 5,050mhz max, you can do some overlocking with bclk or eclk if you have it but honestly its just not worth it.

PBO will drop your temp but it won't help it boost unless you were thermal throttling.

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Couple of things.

  1. The CPU frequency offset doesn't work in the positive direction with X3D chips. It is fused at 5050 max. If your motherboard supports it, you can use asynchronous clocks to force the frequency and whole curve up. Kinda like curve optimizer but it shifts the whole thing including the max frequency. If you set it at 104, that would be 4% and new max would be 5250. I tried all of this, made it through a few stress tests to my satisfaction and then crashed while watching YouTube. My point is it's extremely finicky even more than curve optimizer and the chances you're stable across all workloads is slim even pushing it just low enough to see a change. If it's so low, like 101 you're much better off just using curve optimizer. And to get 106 or something you need a positive curve optimizer offset which I'm pretty sure doesn't work with these chips.

  2. those curve optimizer values, where did you get those. I'm just making sure you didn't try to copy somebody else here and you tested these. Tested in what?

  3. cinebench may not show much of an improvement but that is just one workload. It could not show an improvement in cinebench but then show one in Geekbench. It really just depends. You should see some difference though even if it's just 100 points, no?

Personally I just ended up sticking with curve optimizer because of the instability.

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reddit.com › r/amdhelp › looking for advice on pbo and curve optimiser for 7800x3d
r/AMDHelp on Reddit: Looking for advice on PBO and curve optimiser for 7800X3D
April 17, 2024 -

First time PC builder here, and I was playing around with PBO and CO but I'm not exactly sure if I might have missed a setting or two in BIOS.

PBO was set to enhancement with thermal limit increased to 90C.

CO offset to -35

RAM set to EXPO II @ 6000mhz CL30.

I have encountered zero thermal throttling issues on both prime95 and cinebench. Temperatures averaging around 62C and 78C respectively.

CPU sits at 4.5 ghz for prime95 and stable 4.9 ghz on cinebench. With no stability issue encountered. Final score 17971.

Are there any settings that I have missed or should I attempt a lower CO offset since everything is going suspiciously well in my opinion.

Hardware

CPU: 7800X3D

Motherboard: ASUS ROG Crossfire X670E Hero with updated BIOS

RAM: 2x Corsair

Prime95 after 1 hour of CPU stress testing