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Failing to Engage: Ad hominem, strawmanning, and whataboutery – How to Think Critically
Someone who says “Black lives matter” is not claiming that “Only black lives matter”. Someone who responds “All lives matter” is understanding “Black lives matter” as “If a life matters, then it’s a black life” when the ...
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Quora
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What's the difference between a straw man and an ad hominem? - Quora
Answer (1 of 7): “What's the difference between a straw man and an ad hominem?” A straw man fallacy is when you misrepresent the opposing view to make it easier to defeat. You’re basically making a “dummy” version of your opponent’s position so you can more easily knock it down, like attacking a...
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What is this an example of (ad hominem, straw man, genuine logic flaw - or something else)?
Pedantry lul--with the whole quibbling over minor details instead of addressing substance. This can also be characterized as an issue with tracking/relevancy. More on reddit.com
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Ad hominems vs Strawman Arguments - Battles - Comic Vine
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This repeats a few times until both sides get bored/frustrated and then everything concludes with nobody changing their opinions. The joys of rational dialogue. More on reddit.com
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ELI5: What's the difference between a strawman and an ad hominem? : r/explainlikeimfive
October 24, 2021 - Ad hominem:- A: Maybe we should find ways to address intolerance by promoting positive discrimination? B: You’re just saying that because your girlfriend is a minority. A strawman attacks the argument from a nonsensical position (it ignores the issues and alters them - the argument has no substance and easily falls apart, just like a man made of straw).
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Fallacies - Purdue OWL® - Purdue University
Straw Man: This move oversimplifies an opponent's viewpoint and then attacks that hollow argument. People who don't support the proposed state minimum wage increase hate the poor. In this example, the author attributes the worst possible motive to an opponent's position.
form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent
Straw man - Wikipedia
A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who … Wikipedia
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Straw man - Wikipedia
February 16, 2026 - The church claimed Martin Luther is arguing against serving the Eucharist according to one type of serving practice; Martin Luther states he never asserted that in his criticisms towards them and in fact they themselves are making this argument. Luther's Latin text does not use the phrase "man of straw", but it is used in a widespread early 20th century English translation of his work, the Philadelphia Edition. Ad hominem – Attacking the person rather than the argument
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Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
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Fallacies | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy
The fallacy occurs when we unfairly try to change the issue to be about the speaker’s circumstances rather than about the speaker’s actual argument. Also called “Ad Hominem, Circumstantial.” ... Secretary of State Dean Acheson is too soft on communism, as you can see by his inviting so many fuzzy-headed liberals to his White House cocktail parties.
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Ad Hominem, Straw Man, and More: Identifying Logical Fallacies with the Help of Writing Tutors | Gilliam Writers Group
December 11, 2024 - For instance, if a student dismisses a classmate's argument by saying, "You only think that because you’re biased," the tutor can point out that this is an ad hominem attack and suggest ways to refocus on the logic of the argument rather than the person making it.
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r/coolguides on Reddit: Ad Hominem, Red Herring, Straw Man Logical Fallacies and more
December 16, 2018 - There's nothing wrong with employing ad hominem attacks during a debate, for example, when debating an anti-vaxxer. I know convincing the anti-vaxxer is a futile task, because they've already rejected empiricism and the scientific method; my goal is to discredit them so their arguments are rejected by others. The person who keeps saying "this is a fallacy" or "that is a fallacy" in response to a flim-flam man (anti-vaxxer, climate change denier, moon landing denier, religious zealot) is the one who loses the arguments in the eyes of the audience.
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A Guide to Logical Fallacies: The "Ad Hominem," "Strawman" & Other Fallacies Explained in 2-Minute Videos | Open Culture
March 12, 2015 - The Straw­man Fal­la­cy · The Ad Hominem Fal­la­cy · The Black and White Fal­la­cy · The Author­i­ty Fal­la­cy · The “No True Scots­man” Fal­la­cy ·
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How do you deal with ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments in professional settings?
March 3, 2024 - For example, someone might say, "You are not qualified to talk about this topic, because you have no experience in this field". This is an ad hominem fallacy, because it does not address the merits of the topic, but rather the credentials of ...
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Wikipedia
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List of fallacies - Wikipedia
2 days ago - Poisoning the well – a subtype of ad hominem presenting adverse information about a target person with the intention of discrediting everything that the target person says.
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Reddit
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r/logic on Reddit: What is this an example of (ad hominem, straw man, genuine logic flaw - or something else)?
January 10, 2026 -

So I'm a logic idiot. Philosophy-wise I tried to read "A Very Short Introduction to Schopenhauer" once and I didn't make it through - but I have gone through a bit of education so not a total idiot generally (at least I hope...).

Anyway, I've noticed a pattern on Reddit recently, and I was wondering if there was a term for it. The example where this came up recently is for a card game, where the company involved is discontinuing old sets of it and doing a "refresh" so to speak (I won't bore you with the details but, go look in my post history if you're interested). Anyway, conversations go like this:

  • I think this new feature is good.

  • Here's a list of the state of the art in this space that it has an edge over.

  • Here's a thing that's no longer relevant (it's been discontinued), and here's how I subjectively considered it to work previously, that I'm providing as a frame of reference (this is probably like 5% of what I've typed out).

  • And to close, I think this new feature is good for reasons XYZ.

Now, what I'm finding will happen is people won't talk to me about the new thing I'm trying to talk about, or about the state of the art in that space. Instead they hyper-fixate on the small detail I provided as context (which they'll say I got wrong), and this is the only thing that gets talked about. If I don't respond to this point, it looks like I'm trying to dodge a supposed flaw in my point, so I'm obligated to if I want to have a conversation - but the vast majority of the time it's hardly even related.

Is this a straw man (picking a small tangential detail, and responding to that instead), or is it an ad hominem attack (essentially saying because I don't know the small detail well [which usually isn't even the case, it's just I didn't furnish it with as much detail as I could, as I didn't think it was going to be dwelled on], I'm an idiot and the rest of what I'm saying isn't deserving of further thought), or something else?

I mean technically, it is a point I've put out there, and a point that is debatable - but it's quite far from what I'm looking to talk to people about. Maybe I should stop generously providing what I believe is useful context around conversations, because then there's less to pick apart?

I'm finding recently this is such a common way people talk to each other on Reddit that I can very rarely have a good conversation in my hobby/interest communities. If there is a term for this specific brand of (what I want to say is?) a logic fallacy I'd be grateful to know, because these days I'd rather just cite that and see if they change tact in the next comment (and if not just block them).

Thanks in advance Logic Heads (or whatever you call yourselves, haha!). If there is a better sub for this, redirect me and I'll repost - but I do think the problem I'm asking about here is one of logical fallacy personally (you'd know better than me!).

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LinkedIn
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What is the difference between ad hominem and straw man fallacies?
March 6, 2024 - Ad Hominem Fallacy Attacking the character, motive, or other attributes of the person making an argument rather than addressing the substance of the argument itself. Straw Man Fallacy Misrepresenting someone's argument to make it easier to attack ...
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Ad Hominem Fallacy | Definition & Examples
February 6, 2025 - Ad hominem example in the mediaIn the 2020 presidential election, both candidates resorted to ad hominem attacks during the presidential debate, their speeches, and on social media. President Trump claimed Biden is “against God” and on the “wrong side of history,” while Democrats were attacked for viewing America as “a wicked nation that must be punished for its sins.” · On the other side, Joe Biden used a similar approach and claimed “the fact is this man has no idea what he’s talking about,” accusing his opponent of receiving payment from foreign countries.
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The Straw Man and Other Fallacies of Relevance - Rootclaim Blog
June 22, 2017 - What do ad hominems, appeals to authority, red herrings and the straw man argument have in common? Each of these is an example of the Fallacy of Relevance.
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8 Logical Fallacies That Mess Us All Up
February 8, 2023 - If the Ad Hominem Fallacy is the bread and butter of politicians, then the Straw Man Fallacy is the bread and butter of social media.
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Ad hominems vs Strawman Arguments - Battles - Comic Vine
Ad Hominem: I don't like your argument and I have no other way to rebut your argument, therefore I attack your character, magically hoping that it would somehow weaken your argument when it actually does not.
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Quora
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What are ad hominem, strawman, and red herring? Are they ever okay to use as argumentative tactics? If so, when? - Quora
Answer (1 of 3): Ad hominem is where one attacks the speaker themselves instead of the position they are taking. A strawman is where you refute a position that is different from what the speaker is holding. A red herring is a position that detracts/misleads another from the question at hand. N...
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My Apologetics
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Ad Hominem and the Straw Man: Futile Argument Tactics | My Apologetics
February 1, 2017 - You can see examples of the Straw Man being used in editorials, political speeches and blogs whenever someone wishes to strengthen their position by attacking an imaginary position. The ‘Reds under the Bed’ in the McCarthy era was an example of the Straw Man.