30 is standard. Short and sweet. Manager is made to give you unattainable goals such that you are out. Recommend taking the pay out and figure out your Amazon after life. There are other better things you can do for maybe better work life balance, pay, treatment and satisfaction. Answer from Exact_Return5434 on reddit.com
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Amazon PIP: What is It & What to Do — ManageBetter
August 12, 2024 - This is because the PIP addresses crucial circumstances of when the employee does not meet the job expectations or has behavior issues within the company · At Amazon, it’s about one to two months.
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If I fail the Performance Improvement Plan (PIP), will I automatically be fired?
While failing the PIP often leads to termination, there may still be options. Employees can appeal the decision through Amazon’s Peer Panel Review, although success rates are low. Seeking legal advice early in the process can help you strategize and explore alternatives.
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How long do I have to decide whether to accept severance, join the PIP, or appeal through Peer Review?
Amazon typically provides a five-day window to decide, although they often will accept the “depart” choice after the deadline without negative consequences. Given the high stakes, it’s critical to consult with a lawyer immediately to weigh your options.
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What is Amazon's Pivot Program?
Amazon's Pivot Program claims to be designed to address underperformance. Over time, it offers employees three options:
Voluntary Resignation with Severance: Employees can choose to resign and receive a severance package.
Performance Improvement Plan (PIP): Employees commit to meeting specific performance goals within a set timeframe. If the manager says they do not meet the goals the severance package is smaller.
Peer Panel Review: If the manager claims the PIP (called Pivot) is unsuccessful, employees can appeal their manager's assessment through a peer review process.
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r/amazonemployees on Reddit: Timeline from Focus to Pivot?
December 15, 2024 -
Wondering what the norm is for timeline, if anyone has seen below 30 days, or over 90 days, and how they determine when to move to pivot. Thx!
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30 is standard. Short and sweet. Manager is made to give you unattainable goals such that you are out. Recommend taking the pay out and figure out your Amazon after life. There are other better things you can do for maybe better work life balance, pay, treatment and satisfaction.
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Focus is initially for 30 days but often extended to 60. It really depends how well the manager can explain your performance against whatever the plan was. Technically you could have 30 days of focus, be put on pivot day 31, and be gone 5 days later. However the competence of the manager and hr often causes weeks of delays sorting themselves out.
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Amazon Pivot Program Lawyer – Representation for Employees Facing Performance Measures
January 6, 2022 - The Amazon Pivot process typically starts with a development plan, now called “Focus.” Employees are not even informed that they are on such a plan unless they ask. Management then moves to a performance improvement plan phase after that. If the manager claims the employee failed at the performance improvement plan (or “PIP”), under the appeals process the worker can appeal to their peers for an independent review of the manager’s decision.
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At Amazon, what is the difference between a Dev plan and a performance improvement plan (PIP)? - Quora
Answer (1 of 2): Development plan is a regular plan which you do with your manager, where you are focusing on your career progress. You focus on your strengths and weaknesses. Based on this plan you will get tasks which will utilize skills you are good at and also help you to improve skills you w...
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Amazon PIPs Over 4500 Employees A Month
Amazon's PIP system comprises two main stages: the Focus program and Pivot. Focus serves as an initial alert for employees falling below performance standards, while Pivot represents a more serious phase where employees must significantly improve or face exit.
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November 17, 2021 - Generally, Amazon has two minds about performance management. In written documentation, it's all about whether your reports meet the role guidelines. The written documentation is solid. They share how to evaluate people objectively and how to minimize bias. Verbally, it's all about numbers ...
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Amazon is known to have a terrible work culture, and I just saw this show up on LinkedIn. This person went from promotion to PIP (Performance Improvement Plan) in 3 months after a manager change due to re-org. This is not uncommon, things like that have happened to me as well.
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r/csMajors on Reddit: Can someone explain this “PIP” deal with Amazon, I keep seeing it
December 21, 2020 -
Just got my offer and seems like everyone is just shitting on Amazon, how bad is this PIP thing and any idea of what percent of new hires get PIP’d?
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I started as a new grad in July, this is what I've gathered. Every year Amazon stack ranks their employees of the same level against each other, TT = top tier, HV = High Value, and LE = Least Effective. This is done in a large meeting with all the managers at the org level (org is short for organization and an org is a set of teams that work in a similar domain, around 300 employees). There is a set percentage of employees that must go in each bucket, most importantly 10% every year MUST be labeled as LE. This bottom 10% is then put on "dev plan." This a precursor to PIP. With this plan, your manager will try to help you improve so you are no longer labeled as LE. From my understanding this plan is relatively realistic and completable. If you fail, you are put on PIP. PIP = "performance improvement plan." PIP is essentially just Amazon's way of firing you. Your manager will give you goals to reach during this PIP (which from my understanding are very difficult) and once you don't reach them, you get fired. Now the kicker is each org in Amazon has a URA (unregretted attrition) rate. This rate is a percentage of employees that get fired every year, this is done through the stack ranking process I mentioned earlier. Amazon's philosophy is that the "bar is always raising" meaning they trim the fat by removing who they think is the bottom tier employees to make room for new employees who "raise the bar." I've heard the URA rate being 5-6%. This means that 10% are put in LE every year and about half of those employees are fired. The cherry on top is that Amazon offers (at least for new grad) have their stock vesting schedule very backloaded. For example, my offer is $80k RSU's over 4 years, however the schedule is 5/15/40/40. Meaning I get 5% after completing my first year, 15% after completing my second, 40% after completing third, and the remaining 40% after completing the 4th year. The average tenure of Amazon SDE's is between 1-2 years, which is why they tend to backload the stock. Edit: See u/DarkFusionPresent 's reply below for more info from a more experience Amazon dev
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It's stuff like this why I didn't even bother applying to Amazon, and a major reason why I left FB. I don't want to worry about getting fired if I have a bad half/quarter/etc. I have down periods where my output is low, but I learn, and then when I come back, I am better than before, this is how I operate. I get much better every year, and i am not very young. Where I work now, I make more than people at the same level in FANG (on average), but I don't have to worry about stack ranking and arbitrary, mandatory attrition. It's bad culture and not conducive to long tenures. FANG biases towards new blood, they don't want you to be comfortable there. Fuck them, they deserve no loyalty at all.
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4 weeks for focus is unusual. It's generally 6-8 weeks.
Assume 6 weeks for PIP, and see if you can make it to your vesting date. If not, take FMLA.
When in focus/PIP, it doesn't usually matter if you meet the expectations and complete the tasks. Your manager can always find a way to make you fail.
The only thing that matters is if your manager wants you to pass focus/pip or not. Managers put about (2 x URA quota) of their team on focus. So they don't want to PIP them all, which means you have a good chance to get out of focus
But once you're put on PIP, it means your manager most definitely wants you out; and he'll makes sure you fail most (all?) of the PIP tasks.
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Completed my assigned tasks, then manager said he needs more data points so assigned me a project. Completed the project and my manager said, I did not meet the bar and put me in PIP. Just start searching for new jobs. Amazon managers are just bad and immoral.
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Recently, Amazon has decided to do further job cuts using the PIP approach. They have given % targets to each manager for all levels to move people to PIP hoping that a significant % wont sustain. The worst part is, they are asked to do it ruthlessly though they know that the employee has potential.
The easiest pick is people who didnt meet their goals (even for a valid reason), who joined recently, on higher payscale, etc.
The managers are asked to play it cheap. They are going down to any level to give irrelevant / stupid examples to justify the need for PIP. They are setting unachievable goals to kick you out.
Didnt expect Amazon to do this. Only when you discuss with people in the org, you get to know that you are not alone...
Shame on you Amazon! You were known to squeeze employees to a great extent and this is what you are doing in return
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PIP is different for different roles and Levels. In a nutshell they will provide coaching for a specific term and expect the performance to improve. Otherwise, the axe will fall.