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r/DIY on Reddit: Tiling shower... is a waterproof membrane necessary?
August 9, 2016 -
We gutted our bathroom and installed a steel tub. Our plan is to use 12x12 porcelain tiles from the tub to the ceiling. We already installed hardy board and are ready to proceed but we have gotten mixed advice.
In the old shower, we had some grout problems and water found its way through and damaged the floor and the first floor ceiling (underneath the tub). This time around, we don't want to cut any corners with waterproofing. We planned on using thinset and/or tape on all the hardy board joints, screws, etc, and then coating everything with a membrane such as Red Guard, Ardex 8+9, etc). However a contractor we know and a local tile store told us these waterproof membranes are totally unnecessary if we do things correctly. They said thinset itself is sufficient to waterproof anything.
I feel like I should trust this advice but I just can't help but think we will inevitably have a problem, even if it is years down the line, and I will regret not going with a membrane as an extra layer of protection.
Thoughts? Any disadvantages to overdoing the waterproofing?
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Finally something I can answer! I have worked in pool and medium-large bathtub construction and installation for the last 5 years, so I might be able to give a bit of insight. So, the answer to this one is that he is half right. Using a waterproof membrane is like wearing a condom, if you know how to pull out properly you don't need it, but if you try to get by without one and fuck up, you have 18 years of child support payments waiting for you. Similarly, there are definitely ways of water proofing without resorting to a membrane, but if this is your first time, its probably safer to use one. However, if you do decide to go without, make sure to both thinset AND tape vulnerable points, but make sure to also cross tape a few times to keep moisture from loosening the adhesive. That being said, beware of over-proofing the base if you go with the membrane option. If you are using a membrane with a DG or DG- rating, you should under no circumstances double proof, like you would with say a P-k rating or higher. This is because the porosity of the clay based polymers is variable among membranes (hence the DAR rating) and is also variable to an extent within production batches, which is why it's always recommended you do a copper-phosphorous drain test before applying. As long as you use the old "DG thin on me, R/P(i,k) lay it on thick" saying, you pretty much can't go wrong. Tl;dr either way could work, but a condom is better for virgins. EDIT: misspelled porosity, thanks u/198jazzy349
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It depends on what you are using for your tile board. If you use Durarock or another cementitious board, then you should use a waterproofing membrane. However, some boards, like Diamondback have a built in moisture barrier and don't need an additional membrane. Your best bet is to read the manufacturer's product data and do what they recommend. Source: I'm a commercial construction general contractor
Schluter
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Schluter®-KERDI is a pliable sheet-applied waterproofing membrane and vapor-retarder designed for the direct application of tile.
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A waterproofing sheet membrane such as the Mapeguard WP 200 is designed to be installed on the surface of the tile backer board and shower base, using either a thin-set mortar or self-adhesive “peel-and-stick” technology.
LATICRETE
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Yes, if the waterproofing membrane is manufactured specifically to accept tile, stone or other adhered veneer. LATICRETE® waterproofing membranes are manufactured for such applications on a wide variety of applications over a multitude of substrates.
Remedial Membranes
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This Old House
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A waterproof membrane system creates a barrier between the shower’s structure and the surface of your tiles.
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Schluter
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It begins with the installation of a mortar bed over the subfloor that is sloped to the weep holes in the drain. A waterproofing membrane, typically referred to as a pan liner, is subsequently placed over this "pre-slope" and clamped into the drain.
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Schluter
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Waterproofing | Schluter
Schluter®-KERDI is a pliable sheet-applied waterproofing membrane and vapor-retarder designed for the direct application of tile.
Koffler Sales
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On sale now, 10% off regular price. Starting at $29.53 ... Seal pipes, mixing valves and other protruding elements with pre-cut seals constructed from Schluter KERDI waterproof membrane.
Contractors Direct
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Waterproofing Membrane | Contractors Direct
Waterproofing is critical in areas like bathrooms and kitchens. Preventing water from seeping through the tiles and causing damage to the underlying structure. Contractors Direct offers a wide range of top-rated waterproof sheet and liquid membranes from trusted brands like Schluter, Laticrete, and Mapei.
The Tile Shop
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Superior Pro-Shield Membrane - 3 ft. 3 in. x 33 ft. ... The Superior Pro-Shield Shower System contains all the pieces and accessories you need to fully waterproof and prepare a...
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Decoupled, or separate, surfaces are created between the substrate and the tile by installing these membranes, which are usually composed of flexible materials like polyethylene or polypropylene. This prevents movement from damaging the tile. In places where tile installations are likely to be damp or exposed to water, like bathrooms, showers, or outdoor patios, waterproofing membranes are necessary.
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Tile Club
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Tile Shower Waterproofing Methods to Prevent Moisture Damage
Liquid waterproofing membrane is exemplified by Redgard Waterproofing Membrane by Custom Building Products, although there are also a number of other brands out there. This is the easiest and cheapest option among the new waterproofing systems, which can be applied to any surfaces that come into contact with water or moisture. It can be used for both bathroom walls and floors, including horizontal areas exposed to moisture such as shower benches, shelving, half-walls, niches, and especially the shower floor.
Fine Homebuilding
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Tile a Barrier-Free Bathroom: Waterproof Membrane - Fine Homebuilding
The water-proof membrane that I am using here is called Kerdi and it is made by the Schluter Systems Company. It is almost paper thin and very easy to work with. It is applied with non- latex mortar.
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