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What is the difference between GPT-5 and GPT-5-chat exactly? Why does GPT-5-chat rate so poorly on livebench.ai?
After a thorough evaluation of ChatGPT 5, these are my realizations
Chat GPT 5 was not for use, it was to get rid of free users all along.
The chat gpt 5 upgrade in a nutshell : ChatGPT
Will GPT-5 store or use my data to improve its training?
Can GPT-5 be used to build autonomous agents without coding experience?
How will GPT-5 impact traditional jobs in customer support, education, and law?
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I had the impression that GPT-5-chat was simply a sort of a wrapper that directed prompts to the appropriate level of GPT-5 (per thinking level, or to GPT-5-mini when the user had used up their quota for regular GPT-5).
But according to livebench.ai, GPT-5-chat is much worse than GPT-5 with low thinking and even GPT-5 mini. It's basically at the level of GPT-5-nano, but it is not GPT-5-nano.
What the fuck is GPT-5-chat exactly then?
And while I'm here, what exactly is GPT-5-pro? GPT-5 with high thinking effort?
Realizations:
Claude is pretty fucking awesome
I'm a lot less concerned about ASI/The Singularity/AGI 2027 or whatever doomy scenario was bouncing around my noggin
GPT5 is about lowering costs for OpenAI, not pushing the boundaries of the frontier
Sam's death star pre-launch hype image was really about the size of his ego and had nothing to do with the capabilities of GPT5
What are yours?
Chat GPT 5 was never created to be a new, more performative model, it was used to get rid of free users, see, it required too much money for them to allow free users on it.
Their first move was to allow only pro users to be able to continue using chat gpt4, with a wait and see politics for plus users.
As expected, plus users made it very clear they hated it ( it's normal, it's a trap for removing free users as Chat GPT 5 is literally unusable) and Sam Altman, wanting to present as a CEO that listens to the users made it available again for plus users, so he can be portrayed as " the good guy".
My bet is: free users will be stuck to the "new" model, that is unusable,
So they'll switch to an other IA, they'll be a burden for the other company and open IA will deal mostly only with pro and plus users.
To sum up: it was the plan all along for chat GPT 5 to be shitty and unusable all along, their real aim by releasing it was to get rid of free users, and see how the plus users would react to it.
EDIT:AFTER A LOT OF THINKING, I THINK I WAS WRONG. THE MAIN REASON BEHIND CHAT GPT5 IS THAT NOW OPEN IA WANT TO SUCK DRY WORK DATA, AND THAT CHAT GPT5 IS THE PERFECT MODEL FOR THIS NEW PURPOSE!