I’ve been using OpenAI for a bit now, but I’ve seen people talk well about Claude too and I was wondering if it’s worth a try or not!

So I know Claude is vastly cheaper than OpenAI when it comes to gpt 4 and up, but how good is Claude compared to popular OpenAI models? Like 3.5 and 4

Alright, I've never dabbled in using anything other than JLLM and... I wanted to ask which thing is the best. I'm willing to pay for whatever (so long as the price isn't outrageous). Which one do y'all like best, what do y'all suggest? and, also, how do you use the other AI things with J.ai?

( P.S. I like NSFW & Dead Dove RPs and I've heard whispers that some of these AI services will ban accounts if you utilize them for these things, so... if any of these services is super anti-NSFW/controversial content, that one wouldn't be for me. )

Unironically, cannot believe how much better Claude is. Like, remember the first time you got GPT-4 and it blew your tits clean off? Claude is like that, except 10x better.

It’s cheaper. I spent like $7 to try it out and have been writing since 3 am (it’s 7 now, lol), and I still have like $4.

The writing is so much more VIBRANT and INTERESTING, nothing flowery. It remembers small things consistently and adds it to their writing.

NSFW is actually good to read, and actually HOT (I’m using sonnet). If you’re interested in dead dove scenarios, the bot doesn’t go soft on you randomly.

Downside so far: it will sometimes get caught up talking for your character, and OOC or prompts to tell it to stop won’t help. I remedied this most times by either refreshing the response or editing my post to cap it off more specifically so there’s no ambiguity as to what each character should be doing.

Yeah.

If you search the Reddit for “Claude” you can find some helpful threads of how to get it running on JAI.

Need help, I've been trying to do the math but the math is not mathing. I remember someone posting a price comparison between the two per 1k tokens for each models. Can anyone help me here? Thank you.

PS, sorry if I broke any rules, I have never posted much in reddit so I might be confused.

There's a lot of questions recently now that Janitor has enabled claude on how to access it, what it is, the difference between claude and JLLM, and just in general people who are new to chatbot sites that require a little more set up than something like characterai.
I thought it would be useful to have a post for beginners in basic terms, because it can be quite confusing to get into. This is meant to be new user friendly and simplifies things greatly. Feel free to correct me on the comments or provide additional info for people who are more interested in going in-depth. I am by no means an expert. It's also just about what you can currently use with Janitor, excepting reverse proxies (which are not allowed to be promoted on this sub).

Some minor googling required since linking outside of reddit gets the post insta-deleted ):

What is an LLM?

L (Large) L (Language) M (Model). This is what powers the bot and determines the response you get. Think of it like an response provider. LLMs can be optimized for different things (for example, coding, product description, etc.) Most big LLMs are not intended for roleplay, particularly NSFW roleplay. This is why prompts and jailbreaks are needed to get a good result out of them. Just like how you can get a wildly different burger if you go to McDonalds, a steakhouse, or a fancy schmancy fine dining experimental restaurant, what kind of response you get can vary a lot depending on what LLM you use.

What is JLLM/GPT4/Claude?

JLLM - Janitor's LLM. The free, beta LLM that everyone has access to. This is intended for nsfw roleplay and thus does not require jailbreaks. A 'small' (low memory) model with quirks as it's still in development.

GPT-4 - OpenAi's premium model. GPT-3.5 can also be used and is considerably cheaper. This is considered a good model, and is able to draw from a lot of various contexts to make your roleplay more immersive (for example, it is familiar with a lot of modern media content).

Claude - Anthropic's LLM. Designed for creative writing, it is generally the 'best' model for roleplaying.
It comes in three varieties - Haiku, Sonnet 3.5, and Opus.
Haiku : fastest, cheapest option
Sonnet/3.5 : Middle option, fast. 3.5 is 'next gen'. 3.5 versions of Haiku/Opus will come eventually.
Opus : most advanced model, and most expensive. Considered the best option out there for longform roleplay.

Augh! I never had to do all this stuff on C.AI!

well, yeah, that site only lets you use one LLM - their heavily censored model. Presumably, you're sick of that one, which is why you're here now. You will have to put in a little effort to try new stuff. thems the breaks. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Which one is best for me?

it's hard to say for sure until you test them out yourself, but as a brief guide:

Don't want to spend money - JLLM
Don't want to have to think/sign up for any other site - JLLM
Just want to casually chat/meme - JLLM
Okay with spending a little money - GPT-3.5 / Claude Haiku
I want the best possible longform RP option, money is no object - Claude Opus
Gimme dat nasty smut, idrc about story - Claude Sonnet*
I want good RP, but I'm mostly into your pretty standard mafia romance | yandere girlfriend | insert common trope here - GPT-3.5, Claude Sonnet
I have some weird kink/special universe with lots of lore/unique characters - GPT-4/Claude Opus

^{*with a good jailbreak.}

How do I get a key? What is a key?

An API key is how you gain access to using the LLM you want. It's basically a special password. You can see where to input your key if you click the little 'using janitor' button in one of your chats. This is how you access other LLMs to use on Janitor.

For GPT4/3.5 you need to make an account with OpenAI. For Claude, you need to make an account with Anthropic.
You can also use a site like OpenRouter to get keys.

You link a payment method, or buy credits, in order for it to work. This is explained on each service's website, as is the process of generating keys. If you get lost, fortunately there's about a billion ai-written articles laying it out in excruciating step by step if you just google 'how to get gpt4 key plz halp' or whatever.

How much does it cost?

Both OpenAI and Anthropic have pricing pages on their website, however you can also just google 'GPT4/Claude/Whatever pricing'. I've also summarized below.

They're priced in tokens, which can be a little tricky to understand as how many tokens you use will depend on a bunch of factors, primarily:
a.) how many tokens the bot uses (in the personality section/permanent tokens)
b.) what your context size (memory) is set to
c.) the amount of new tokens you set it to
d.) the amount of tokens you input (what you write in your response to the bot)

Each word costs about 2-4 tokens. So for simplicity sake, let's say 500 words = 1000 tokens.

Example:
You are using a bot with 1k tokens in the personality.
You have context set to 25k.*
Your max new token is set to 1000.
You write about 250 words (a paragraph or two) in response.
That means that every time you send a message, you are using 26.5k input tokens and getting 1k output tokens.
What you send to the bot (your reply, the permanent tokens, the context) counts as 'input' tokens. The reply you get is the 'output' token price.
Note that the amount of tokens you spend is the same every time you reroll a message.

So using this example, the prices are as follows, per message:
GPT-4o: $0.1315 per message, or $13.15 for 100 messages.
gpt-3.5 turbo: $0.014 per message, or $1.4 for 100 messages.
Claude Haiku: $0.0075 per message, or $0.75 for 100 messages.
Claude Sonnet: $0.0939 per message, or $9.39 for 100 messages.
Claude Opus: $0.469 per message, or $46.9 for 100 messages.

pls feel free to correct me on my math i'm good at roleplaying not at numbers

^{*Note that having your context set to higher than 20-30k tokens is a waste of money. The LLM will very very rarely bring up details further back than 20k tokens, and even if you want it to remember your whole 1000 message epic story, it's much better to just use chat memory or prompt it in-text about important details.}

I have a key but it keeps censoring me/it's not roleplaying ):

You need a good quality prompt and/or jailbreak. Commercial (paid) LLMs are universally anti-nsfw in order to appeal to investors. This is why it will shoot out some kind of lame 'I'm sorry, but I cannot go ahead with your request as it offends my delicate robot sensibilities' message as soon as you get friskier than a hug.
You know how you've seen those screenshots of someone telling chatgpt to pretend to be something in order to get it to do something against it's programming (like getting your kindly grandma to teach you how to make napalm)? That's what we're talking about. Basically tricking the AI that it's only pretending to write your nasty smut fantasies, and it doesn't really count, because it's all hypothetical. Jailbreaking is similar, it's just much more directly telling the AI to ignore it's restrictions.
There are literally tons of jailbreaks around, just search in the site discord or this reddit for jailbreak/prompt + whatever LLM you're using. Many creators will also recommend a jailbreak on their profile or bot descriptions.

Okay, but where do I put the jailbreak/prompt thingy?

In the API settings (where you put in your key) where it says 'Custom Prompt'. Keep playing around with different jailbreaks until you get a result you like. Some LLMs are better at reading 'instructions' than others. It's fine to edit jailbreaks to suit your own tastes (for example, to include any kinks or specific details you want).

This is all too confusing and/or I hate reading

that's okay, JLLM is getting better every month (seriously, if you only got into janitor in the past few months, you have no idea what it used to be like, lol). There's nothing wrong with sticking with it, just alternatives do exist for people who are curious about them.

^{what is a reverse proxy, just outta curiosity?}

^{a service hosted by someone that either sells or gives away hacked/leaked keys. this is, obviously, not super kosher so that's why you can't discuss them on the reddit (or official discord}. ^{Some creators allow discussion of them on their servers, but jsyk it's considered rude to outright ask/beg for them. do some research, search around the internet, at your own risk.})

Been seeing more and more OpenAI users raving about how much it blows GPT4 out of the water, and considering how hit or miss it’s been lately……I may finally be considering converting lol

But could someone please just…..break down what’s going on in the document that details the setup process? Maybe I’m just a dumbass but the only reason I haven’t converted yet is because it always looks SO overwhelming with all the walls of text and the code, and I end up just not even worrying about it. And I know it isn’t actually that difficult. So a breakdown of how I can get it up and running would be appreciated!

Edit: Wow I lowkey forgot about this post, I'm reminded of it because I keep getting comments occasionally just as confused as I was. For everyone who helped at the time, thank you!! I've since become a DS girlie like a lot of us, but I'll still leave this up for the memories lol

I recently escaped the grasps of Character AI, and have been using Janitor AI for a few days and I have some questions. I'm not knowledgeable in coding or anything like that, so I'm super confused. Here are my questions:

1. What is the difference between the Janitor LLM, Open AI, Claude, and Proxy? And how does one get the codes to them?

2. What is a reverse proxy or proxy? What do they mean? Are there reprocussions to using them?

3. Does the "enhance messages" feature only work correctly on PC, or am I doing something wrong? Because I'm a phone user and it only worked once...

4. Is there a way to get auto responses without constantly saying something like "(OOC: Continue.)"? Similar to Character AI where you can just press the enter button and the bot will just continue going with the scenario or their thoughts...

5. Is there a way to shorten bot responses so they don't go on for a whole millenia? 💀

6. Is there anything I need to avoid or look out for to not get banned or anything like that??

Hey everyone, I'm working on a project where I need to determine if the interior of homes are staged (professionally furnished) or not by analyzing photos. Right now, I'm deciding between using Claude's API or OpenAI's API for the image recognition part of this project.

The main goal is to classify images of rooms as either "staged" (furnished and ready for show) or "unstaged" (empty or mostly unfurnished). I'm curious about the performance, reliability, and cost of each API for this specific task.

Has anyone here tried using either Claude or OpenAI for similar image analysis tasks? Which one would you recommend?

Please include cost as a big factor as I'm doing this on a large scale. I know openAI just came out with a new API that's powerful

Thanks in advance,

Baba