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Cyberpower (or any) UPS runtime estimate question
UPS runtime calculator
How do I determine UPS runtime? Most UPS specification pages don't list battery capacity (Ah) in the specs
Internal resistance calculations. You add resistances when they are in series and when the resistances have identical values and are in parallel you divide the resistance by the number of parallel circuits.
So the individual string of 20 cells in series has a combined resistance of 20 x 5 milliohms = 100 milliohms.
You have two strings in parallel and so the resultant resistance = 100/2 = 50 milliohms
if you had three strings in parallel the resultant resistance = 100/3 = 33.3 milliohms
And 4 strings gives 25 milliohms and so on.
The internal resistance is important because the current flowing through the strings of cells in parallel will cause a voltage drop across the end of the strings. To get the amount of power into the UPS assumimg it is 100 % efficient and providing 140 kW you have to supply 140000/120= 1167A from the two strings in parallelI. The voltage drop inside the battery strings will be 1167 x 50/1000 = 58 V and if you measure the “240Vdc” across the string ends it would be 240-58 = 182V.
You can extend these ideas to the case where you have 3 strings of 20 batteries and 4 strings of 20 batteries. For these cases you get 1167 x 33.3/1000 = 39V and 1167x25=29V respectively giving you 201V and 211V respectively at the terminals.
The UPS has to work with the loaded voltage of the batteries as calculated in the above two paragraphs and the maker will have it designed to work with a minimum voltage which will be in their specification. I don’t know what that value is.
A few words about power factor and kW. With alternating voltages and current they both have a sinusoidal wave shape if seen on a display but they may not be exactly in synch and there could be a phase difference between them of a number of degrees. The Cosine of this angle is the power factor in your case 0.8. If the waves shapes were exactly in phase the Cosine of 0 is 1 and if they were 90 deg out of phase then the Cosine is 0. The power taken by an AC system is volts x amps x power factor. In your case the 140KW has already taken the power factor into consideration. You can’t have it twice.
I know nothing about the nature of the 140KW load on the UPS. It would be useful to commission some measurements as this sounds like a guesstimate and its value is what all the calculations are based on.
With regard to efficiencies. I don’t know what they mean by battery efficiency. Do they mean you get 95% energy out compared to what you supply? And how is it measured? I guess that the quoted UPS efficiency of 98% means that you get 98 % of the energy out compared to what you put in but that will only be the right number for specific working conditions. In any event the quoted efficiencies are high enough that for practical purposes you can assume 100% and just apply a reasonable safety factor to make sure all will be well in practice.
This sounds like a homework problem, not a real world scenario.
My thoughts exactly. I have never once considered the number of batteries or cells in a UPS when making a decision on power conditioning needs.
Hello all, I have a modest homelab connected to a brand new Cyberpower 1000 real sine UPS. The battery shows a full charge, and normal runtime load is 15%. When connected to my VM host I can run the Linux command 'apcaccess' and it shows a number of stats, including a 44 minute runtime.
When I perform a real test by yanking the power cord, the runtime decays rapidly in the first 30 seconds, settling to about 22 minutes.
I understand that the estimated numbers are just that, estimates, and so it might need to recalculate the runtime as it goes, but being off by a factor of 2 is surprising.
Is this reasonable, have people seem similar behavior on Cyberpower (or any) UPSes?
Am I missing something here? It seems like all UPS models are very clear about the VA, which I understand to be amount of power / watts the device can supply, but this doesn't give any indication of runtime. The Ah (ampere-hours) of the battery should reflect the amount of power stored in the battery, but it isn't even listed in many of models specification sheet.
I'm trying to buy a UPS to power my network rack for as long as possible. The wattage isn't huge, maybe 200 at peak load, but I'd like it to run as long as possible in an outage. Some brands have a "runtime calculator" for each product, but many don't. Is there an easier way to determine runtime? Or am I incorrect in my interpretation of the power units?
Thanks.
Hey,
We have an APC UPS and I'd like to get a better understanding on how runtime is calculated.
I don't know jack shit about electricity but have recently been trying to learn more about voltage/amps/watts/ WHR/kWH.
I have been looking at the different formulas for getting total watts/WHR and logged into one of our UPS out of curiosity.
Here is what I see on our unit now. The runtime is pretty low:
https://ibb.co/tMbFdvm
We need to buy another UPS for a smaller site and I am trying to figure out the formula APC uses(hopefully using he number here in the status page) to determine runtime. The UPS we are replacing has the same GUI. We'd like to get at least 30 mins runtime.
Thanks
Hi,
We have 6 Dell PowerEdge T430 servers with 2 750W PSU on each server (one connected to the wall socket and one to a UPS system)
What is the best way to calculate my UPS needs?
I’ve checked in a few vendors automated calculators and each one gave me a different result.
I do know the basics about Amps, Volts, and Watts but can not figure out how to do this calculation.
Thanks in advance. I appreciate your help : - )
@Eaton @APC_by_Schneider_Electric
APC has a good UPS selector. If you don’t want APC, you can at least figure out what model of theirs is most suitable and pick a competing brand with the same ratings.
I would recommend two separate UPS units - one for each power supply.
https://www.apc.com/us/en/tools/ups_selector/
For some reason it won’t let me proceed when I dump your servers into the configurator. And, it seems to want to throw you immediately into the monster datacenter UPS units when I try other methods of using it. An off day at their site maybe?
What kind of budget do you have (ballpark figures), and what is the minimum runtime you are seeking?