So I get that they end up together in the musical. My question however is does Fiyero remain a scarecrow or does Elphaba manage to change him back. Cause running off leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

In part 1 of the musical (and the 2024 movie), I do see the chemistry between Fiyero and Elphaba. I think if circumstances were different, they would've been a great couple.

BUT, it's so weird... how they get together in part 2 of the musical. The song "As Long As You're Mine" is so sensual. Being sensual isn't bad ofc, but that wasn't the foundation of the romance between these characters imo. Elphaba, in her song, "I'm Not That Girl", does mention a "sudden heat", so there's attraction there. However, I really feel like they connected more on an emotional and intellectual level.

Through Elphaba, Fiyero realizes the importance of taking a stand and caring for something, rather than living a carefree and "brainless" life. It's just weird that after Fiyero leaves Glinda, he meets Elphaba and it becomes physical so quickly??? It just feels out of place. And doesn't Elphaba feel at least a little bad that she's with her best friend's "ex"-husband? (Yeah, Glinda basically abandoned her but that doesn't mean Elphaba didn't care about Glinda till the end.)

Idk. The song "As Long As You're Mine" felt like it cheapened the romance between them. It makes me wish Elphaba ran away alone or with Glinda instead. What are your thoughts? Maybe there are some nuances I didn't understand or smth.

So when asked about a possible third movie, she mentions Glinda having her own life separate. But then she mentions “Elphaba and Fiyero’s life” as if they were a pair sharing a life together. Does she know something that we don’t?

so ive finally seen wicked on broadway for the first time like 2 weeks ago.

OMG im obsessed. LMAO i knew a few songs prior but seeing the whole play live ive been changed for good. okay ill stop lol

no but yeah, so at the end, Fiyero shows up again as a scarecrow. im a bit confused tho.

was it just a disguise or was he actually turned into an actual scarecrow because of elphaba's spell?

thank you!

Honestly, the first time I watched this movie I felt that their relationship was rushed and the connection was unbelievable. However, I don't ship Elphaba and Glinda (I do believe that Glinda does have romantic feelings for Elphaba ngl), soulmates can be platonic.

So it just really got me thinking why fiyero as the love interest? What makes them fall in love with each other? Then it hit me. They see their own vulnerability in one another and going in depth with this makes me realize "Wicked" is well-written and more complicated.

Let's start at their first encounter. Fiyero was surprised that Elphaba was green but that was a short-lived moment, and there isn't any indication that he's repulsed by her appearance (opposite of the scene when Elphaba first arrives at Shiz). Fiyero is more surprised by the fact that she seems to resent him. His charm isn't working on her, which is entirely new to him because as soon as he arrives at Shiz everyone is fawning over him. He is used to that attention and adoration, not the disinterest found in Elphaba. Therefore, due to his egotistical nature, he tries to get Elphaba's attention because he's intrigued by her (he hasn't fallen yet, I'll get to it). This can be seen when he enters the library, he waves at Elphaba but she rolls her eyes at him. Someone made a great analysis of "Dancing through life" as a "peacock" dance for Elphaba in this sub reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/wicked/s/tCe67rO8ad). I'll talk more about the significance of this song later, specifically the lyrics and how Elphaba emphasizes with it. My main point in this is that Fiyero never made fun of Elphaba, while everyone in her life did (even Glinda at the beginning on the movie). Yes, I know this is bare minimum, so onto the juicy stuff.

I believe Fiyero fell for Elphaba at the Ozdust dance because that's when he saw her vulnerability and strength--a mirror of who Fiyero is and who he wants to be. What I mean by this is that this scene highlights how Elphaba feels isolated; no one will ever dare to get close enough to her, so she will never be known. No one will see her for who she is... but at that moment, Fiyero does. Now, maybe some of you think that's bs. He tells Glinda that Elphaba doesn't care what anyone thinks, and Glinda responds to him that she does; she is just good at hiding it. Therefore, he didn't really understand her; that's what I thought too. However, I realized that comment made me realize that he saw Elphaba for her courage. Yes, she cares what people think, but she still had the courage to be in the center of all of that insecurity. To be in the spotlight of embarrassment, yet there she stood. She could've ran away, but she didn't. I believe the depth of Fiyero saying that Elphaba doesn't care what people think is a reflection of what he wants to have: courage (ironic since we have the cowardly lion but doesn't make it less true). Fiyero wants to have the courage to show who he truly is and stop hiding, stop running away. He realizes that once he looks at Elphaba, being strong and vulnerable. It is now HIM who is in admiration instead of the other way around. Furthermore, Elphaba reflects who he is. As Glinda says Elphaba does care what people think, she's only good at hiding it. This was like a punch in the face to fiyero (from his expression in this scene) because he relates to that so much. He cares what people think because if he didn't, then he wouldn't pretend to be someone he isn't.

Jump to the lion cub scene. Elphaba clocks Fiyero telling him that he's just pretending to be self-absorbed and deeply shallow (proof that he is pretending to be someone he isnt). Then Fiyero gets all of defensive, yet Elphaba clocks him again, saying he's clearly unhappy. He looks at her stunned. Initially, I was confused. How does elphaba come to all of these conclusions and why is fiyero so defensive? Remember "dancing through life" and the lyrics? This song is clearly saying that life is meaningless. "Nothing matters but knowing nothing matters. It's just life..." Okay, what's the big deal? It's in the damn lyrics, everyone heard it... well, idk about you but the first time I didn't even notice it. This is because no one else in the movie (other than the subtle comment of Elphaba) mentioned it. It makes sense because DTL is an upbeat song, meant to distract you from what he's actually saying. It shows how Fiyero is pretending to be a stereotypical prince. He's life of the party as everyone is dancing and smiling with him. However, under the whole facade he's actually unhappy; no one notices except for Elphaba.

It's interesting how he truly SEES her and she truly HEARS him (this is what basically sold me on their ship).

But why only Elphaba hears his cries for unhappiness? Well, like I said, they see their reflection in each other. It isn't a far off idea to also think that Elphaba is unhappy. Yes, at this point of the movie her and Glinda are friends and people at Shiz no longer make fun of her, but that doesn't hide who she is. She's still and will always be the green girl. On top of feeling isolated, animals are losing their rights, which she is openly against. Therefore, what is there to really be happy about? Does anything really matter? Does she even matter? While this argument makes sense, it isn't that strong.

To make this argument that Elphaba and Fiyero have emotionally a lot in common, I need to explain them individually (yeah, like I said this movie is actually complicated). Firstly, why does Fiyero feel like nothing matters? It's quite simple. The world of "Wicked" is based off of superficiality. Who is the best at being fake? Pretending to be someone you're not to gain admiration, power, and control. It's the whole message of "Wicked": we should look out for the people who say they are good, not the ones that are viewed as wicked. This can be seen through Glinda, the Wizard, and Madame Morrible.

The point is Fiyero sees the world for what it is: superficial and filled with greed for more. It makes sense for his character because he's a prince. He was most likely raised to embrace people's affection but what is the value because they don't know him? What is the point, if everything is presented to him on a silver platter because of status? Therefore, nothing really matters, so he pretends to be a stereotypical shallow prince because the world calls him to. There is no point on trying to be who he really is or think deeper than superficiality.

How does this connect to Elphaba? Well, she understands how the superficial world works too, and the world is no place for a girl like her. To put it shortly they see that there are roles people need to play, even if it isn't their true selves (Elphaba playing the role as the wicked witch)... but that's just life, so they keep dancing through ;) I think it is romantic and kind of a soul connection when you meet someone that sees the same world as you. It makes characters like fiyero and elphaba feel seen and validated. They realize that there is nothing wrong with themselves, they don't need to change in order to be understood and loved. Actually the scene where fiyero tells Elphaba she doesn't need to act like Glinda after popular speaks volumes to how he saw her for who she is.

Back to lion cub scene. When Elphaba tells fiyero she knows he's unhappy, he looks at her in disbelief and a type of sadness... I bet this is the first time someone has ever saw his vulnerability and called him out on it. Because this has never happened to him, he feels exposed and mocked, so he turns away. But elphaba grabs his hand to show she needs his help and she isn't mocking him.

And my favorite moment has to be when they look down at their intertwined hands because of the significance of the skin to skin contact. Their hands are different by color but are the same by the value in which they hold.

What I mean by this is their shared worldview and how they both were quick to rescue the lion cub. (Also, i do believe the reason why fiyero wasn't affected by the poppies is because Elphaba subconsciously remembered him talking to his horse, so she assumed that he cared about animals.)

This whole scene, to me, was beautifully done, and shows you elphaba and fiyero falling for each other just as they are. The way they look into each other's eyes, and elphaba gently caressing his face PLEASE. It got me thinking how they most definitely have never felt this way before. They have never met someone so like them, yet they are so different in the way they were brought up and how people view them. But they still want each other and they understand each other. Since it is both their first times falling in love elphaba touches fiyero with such tender and care because she's treating him the way she always wanted. Also, she just doesn't want to hurt anyone like how people have hurt her. And fiyero has never hurt her and never would. I bet that fiyero has never been treated with such tender and care either. It overwhelmed him so much he fr needed to GET UP AND RUN AWAY. Elphaba is THAT girl (more irony lmfao). Oh, don't get me started on THAT song. The way she doesn't believe that they'll never get together... babes there is a whole song about him being yours.

If you made it this far, thank you. I basically just word vomited because once I started thinking about them, I couldnt stop. Please let me know your own thoughts and opinions! I'm so hyped for wicked: for good because as long as your mine, no good deed, for good. I CANT BELIEVE ITS ALL ON SOME DAMN LAPTOP.

Okay so I'm new to the wicked fandom and I've never read the book or watched the musical Broadway show so please forgive me if I'm misunderstanding anything in what I'm about to say. Oh and a sort of spoiler I guess for those who haven't read the book or seen the show either and want to be completely surprised - (Warning: long post - sorry)

I just found out that Fiyero ends up with Elphaba which is shocking to mee considering the chemistry between Glinda and Fiyero in the movie! But when I read on a article review of the show on what happens in it, I understood it and found out a lot of other things. I found out that Boq actually loves Glinda but dates/ likes Nessa just for Glinda's sake and that he is the one who turns into a tin man and that Fiyero becomes the scarecrow all because of a spell Elphaba does to save both of them and Nessa is Elphaba's sister and is the one who gets squished under a fallen house (which will most likely be shown in Part 2 of the movie).

But I just want to talk about the love triangle between Glinda Fiyero and Elphaba. So from what I know based din whag I've read Glinda likes Fiyero because he's a prince and he's a charming and he at first liked Glinda for the same reason because she was cute and popular and I guess that makes sense why they have that chemistry in the movie. But Elphaba though she originally seems to despise him, believes there's more to him than what is shown and Fiyero soon understands that and is why he starts to fall in love with Elphaba. Than when Glinda finds this out she's not mad that they like each other but rather movies on and try to perfect herself - which is fair I guess but then after the events of Wizard of Oz, Elphaba fakes her death and runs away with Fiyero and it's assumed that Glinda knows but she isn't mad but instead secretly misses and pretends not to mourn for the Wicked as the Ozians really do. Now, I understand why Elphaba and Firyero like each other and I know they know Glinda only liked Fiyero because he too was popular and charming and I know Glinda wasn't mad but she instead thought she was the reason as she decided to change her name from Galinda to Glinda but didn't Elphaba think that he was Glinda's love interest or even if she knew they didn't really love each other couldn't she have told Glinda out of liking/ marrying Fiyero in a good way? Couldn't Fiyero have told Glinda that he didn't like her (in a good way)? Pls forgive me if I sound mean or harsh or if like I'm only defending Glinda. I do see the reason for why the ships go the way they did. And I assume after the events of Wicked/ Wizard of Oz, when Elphaba and Firyero are a couple, Glinda and Bow might be a thing too. But from what I've read it doesn't seem like Glinda had any closure from it. And seeing the trailers for the movie there is one seen where Glinda wants to be included with something Fiyero and Elphaba are doing so I'm certain she was hurt when she found out that her love interest (whether it was true love or not) and her best friend have a thing. And I don't believe she gave the Shoes away silver slippers away as revenge for Elphaba but just to help Nessa if she thought they could help her walk or just for a good intention and she kept Elphaba's alive status a secret because she's a good person and still appreciates Elphaba. And I realise that the reason that Elphaba and Glinda have a fight/ seem like enemies in Wizard of Oz is because Elphaba is mad at her for giving Nessa the shoes and I think they do make up before Elphaba disappears (for good) with the song For Good.

I know that director John will include extra things to make it all make sense and I know that would all be shown in Part 2 next year but I can't help but feel bad for Glinda. I don't blame Elphaba for liking Fiyero - not at all. It is true love to see good potential in someone if they seem egotistic but I don't know if the couple give Glinda that closure. But actually it just clicked that Elphaba in some way I guess does apologize when she sings For Good but I do hope that this is expanded more in dialogues in Part 2.

This is just my opinion and I know the Movie can change things/ expand on things but let me know what you all think please.

Hi, so I’m sorry if this is stupid question that’s been answered before, but since in the musical Fiyero becomes the scarecrow, was he technically a double agent? As in, was he helping Dorothy as well as Elphaba? I haven’t seen the musical in so so long, so if this is explained in the musical I’m very sorry, lol. Thanks!

Now don’t get me wrong, from my point of view the actors' performances (both in the film and, at least, the two versions of the play I've been able to find online) were very good. Likewise, songs like "As Long as Your Mine", "No Good Deed" or "I'm Not That Girl" really resonate with me; however, I've noticed that… this is a relationship that doesn't exactly thrill me or make me feel a genuine connection with. I can even say the “As Long as Your Mine” scene in Part 2 felt, for me, like… when you think romantically about a good friend that is just such a good friend it feels weird and even not well —if I’m giving myself understood. Does anyone else feel this way? I read others talking about Fiyeraba (probably the worst name for a ship) as if it were “the most beautiful relationship of the last three decades”, and I just wonder: “am I okay?”, why can’t I resonate with this if I’m such a huge fan of romance and emotions?

Spoilers for both Part 1 and 2 of the movies

I’m not a Wicked stan so the movies were my first introduction to the story. In Part 1, I feel like the romantic aspect of their relationship was just insinuated. Then all of a sudden in Part 2 they were having a full blown romance and he was leaving Glinda for Elphaba. I wish that the first movie had more scenes that showed secret longing to build up the relationship and allow the audience to understand it better.

Instead, I feel like Part 1 had these spots of filler just for style and didn’t really always focus on the story. Then the rest of the story was crammed into Part 2. Because we didn’t have a good foundation in Part 1, it all seemed rushed. I think what may have been better would have either been having one 3-4 hour movie (like Titanic) or having two movies but where the story is equality distributed.

I was so shook when they ran away to the woods and suddenly were making out. I genuinely was like where did this come from? I heard that it was part of the story but the way it was carried out felt rushed and random. We went from one song and shy glances in part 1 to full blown suggested sex.

As much as I love Elphaba and Fiyero, they just don’t have chemistry with each other, if you know what I mean. But then if they didn’t end up together, the Wizard of Oz storyline might be very different. I know their relationship is for the plot, but I just don’t like it (it’s a hot take I know :()

Do you think Elphaba liked Fiyero right from the start and she was denying her true feelings or do you think she genuinely disliked him at first?

I feel like it could be either. I feel like she could've secretly always liked him cause he's the first person who didn't judge her on her appearance or she also could've disliked him cause she initially found him arrogant.