Ventless gas fireplace?
I worked at a fireplace store in 90’s and we sold a bunch of the ventless fireplaces because, well, we thought they were fantastic. They heat. They heat well. But…people started to get sick and we bought every one we could back from the customers. It says it burns clean. And in a laboratory, that is probably true enough but we don’t live in labs. We live in homes with dust, carpet fibers, cloth and paper fibers, pet hair, our hair, dead skin cells, etc. all floating around in the atmosphere. A heat source draws air toward it at the floor level, and it rises as it is warmed then flows away through the house. All of those contaminants flow with the air, some being combusted. They, my friend, do NOT burn clean, and the people in the home wind up breathing in this combustion by-product particulate matter. Most do not see the soot created from using a ventless until they move a picture frame on the wall. It is astonishing how fast it builds up. Also there is the problem of water. A ventless unit burning 38,000 btu of nat gas will produce about a gallon of water vapor as a product of combustion a whole lot faster than you would think . I apologize for not remembering exactly but I wanna say 1 gallon of water per hour at 40,000 but. If Someone out there can correct/check that please? So… after awhile you will also have molds flowing through your combustion chamber, burning with the dust and messing up your health. We honestly thought we were helping people in the beginning with so much cost effective heat, but after seeing with my own eyes I would only put one in an enemies home. The unit in the pic does looks like an old ventless and it had a fiberglass back adhered to the firebrick that would have glowed quite prettily where the flame impinged. Knock it out and look for a slim direct vent unit with a sealed combustion chamber. Or go electric with flame image. TLDR: ventless bad. Soot. Mold. Knock that out and install vented/direct vent unit.
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The number one complaint I see on this sub about ventless gas units is the massive amount of moisture it puts in the air. That said, my in-laws have a ventless gas stove in their rather large family room and everyone loves it. It's great to stand in front of and warm your rear after you just came in from the cold. They don't run it for long periods of time so between that and the large size of the room, the extra moisture has no apparent effect.
Edit: In summary, I'd say it's great for point of use (warming your buns, power out for a day) but I wouldn't use one for primary heat.
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I've searched through the sub and read the previous posts but they're several years old and locked for responses.
I'm looking at converting out existing wood burning fireplace (which drafts poorly) to a gas insert and debating the direct vent vs ventless options. The ventless is a lot cheaper and much more efficient which is why I'm considering it. I've read plenty of articles debating both sides of the health issues related to CO but I'm looking for opinions from people who actually own and use their ventless fireplaces.
I'm aware of the potential CO issues and moisture that these things create but I'm just trying to get a feel for how serious they would be for our home.
We have a 1960s era 2 story house, which is hardly air tight and the existing fireplace is in our great room which is open to the kitchen. Total square footage for the combined rooms is ~500sqft. I'd be looking at a 25k BTU unit which would only be used occasionally and not as a primary heat source. How much of a concern is the CO in a room that size? Should I be concerned running this thing for a couple hours once a week or so?
Some factors we have that may help mitigate the CO isssue: We have a gas range in the same room with a 900 CFM hood installed and properly vented to the outside. If the CO detectors were to ever go off we could clear the room pretty quickly. We also have a brand new 96% efficient furnace with variable blower that runs on low 95% of the time to circulate air. I'm not concerned with the moisture aspect because we're in Ohio and our house is typically very dry in winter. Humidity in the house is around ~20% if we don't use the humidifier. I'm actually thinking the ventless fireplace could help here.
Who has one of these? Am I crazy to have one installed instead of spending the extra money for the direct vent?