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reddit.com › r/keychron › keychron k3: i am looking for a low latency tkl keyboard with low profile switches.
r/Keychron on Reddit: Keychron K3: I am looking for a low latency TKL keyboard with low profile switches.
October 28, 2021 -

First of all I am coming from an ISO layout, TKL, low profile, tactile keyboard that I am very happy with. Sharkoon PureWriter RGB TKL, Low-Profile (Kailh) Blue.

I want to upgrade now to a better keyboard with lower input latency. Without giving up the feeling of low profile, tactile switches.

Low latency is a product of about 4 features:

  1. optical switches (no 2-20ms debounce delay that classical mechanical switches require to avoid accidental double press)

  2. high internal key scan rate (1000-8000Hz) and fast internal microcontroller

  3. high USB polling rate (1000-8000Hz). And obviously no use of Bluetooth.

  4. and sync between USB polling times and internal scans

See this video for a good summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avfGY5V8csI

Corsair does 2,3 and 4 (under the "AXON" brand) in their K70 Tournament Edition. And 1,2,3,4 in their K100 Model. Unfortunately neither of them is low profile. And the K100 is not TKL. There is an older K70 low profile v2, but that doesn't have AXON.

The only vendor that I found that sells optical low profile switches is Keychron. There is even a model with ISO layout and tactile switches [2] [3] [4]

The concern that I have with going with Keychron is their keyboard micro controller and firmware. Keychron doesn't advertise any low latency functions like Corsair does with their AXON brand. And some Reddit thread claims that the default key scan rate is insanely bad [5] at 60 Hz.

My question is: can I flash some QMK open source firmware to the K3 version 2. And increase the internal scan rate from 60 to 4000Hz? I am prepared to turn off some features that I don't necessarily need like RGB lighting effects.

Thanks in advance!

[2] https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k3-ultra-slim-wireless-mechanical-keyboard-nordic-iso-layout-version-2?variant=39646365810777

[3] https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k3-ultra-slim-wireless-mechanical-keyboard-uk-iso-layout-version-2

[4] https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k3-ultra-slim-wireless-mechanical-keyboard-german-iso-de-layout-version-2

[5] https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/oa5box/my_k3_v2_has_a_60hz_scan_rate/

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RTINGS
rtings.com › home › keyboard › reviews › keychron › k3 (version 2)
Keychron K3 (Version 2) Review - RTINGS.com
February 10, 2022 - The Keychron K3 (Version 2) is a compact 75% wireless keyboard that's light enough to carry around and use on the go. It's the upgraded version of the Keychron K...
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Keychron
keychron.com › home › keychron k3 ultra-slim wireless mechanical keyboard (version 2)
Keychron K3 Ultra-slim Wireless Mechanical Keyboard (Version 2)
With the MX-styled stem housing and 0.2ms ultra-low latency, the low profile Keychron Optical switches are crafted for typists or gamers who want to type at lightning speed with a 70 million lifespan much greater than industry standards.
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Gadget Review
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Keychron K3 (Version 2) Review - Gadget Review
Keychron K3 (Version 2) Review
Experts were amazed by the Keychron K3 (Version 2) and recommended it for most uses, including office, gaming, programming, and mobile situations. They were delighted with its incline adjustable design, low-profile mechanical switches, and multi-device Bluetooth technology. However, they were disappointed by its high latency...
Rating: 69/100 ​
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Reddit
reddit.com › r/keyboards › keychron k3 v2 gaming wireless latency
r/keyboards on Reddit: Keychron K3 v2 gaming wireless latency
February 12, 2023 -

Read and watched a couple of reviews and placed an order for this thing, only to almost immideately afterwards find several more reviews mention that is has significat latency when used wirelessly.

How bad is it in practice in fast paced games such as Call of Duty and other twitch shooters and/or League of Legends?

EDIT: ended up cancelling my Keychron K3 v2 order and ordering ROG Azoth instead.

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reddit.com › r/keychron › k3 bluetooth connectivity lag
r/Keychron on Reddit: K3 bluetooth connectivity Lag
March 2, 2021 -

Whenever the keyboard is in Bluetooth mode and the keyboard is idle for some time it takes couple of seconds to connect and loses the first few key presses. Looking on kickstarter and youtube comments/reviews this seems to be a common issue for the K3. Minus the connectivity lag and mediocre battery life I'm enjoying the keyboard. I have a couple of questions.

  1. Does this happen with other Keychron keyboards in BT mode too?

  2. Does anyone know what the battery life is like if I disable sleep and leave it on (no RGB)? I'm running Bluetooth 5.x on both ends so I know the battery life will be better, but just curious how quickly it will drain. Guess I'll figure this one out on my own.

Thanks.

Edit: Thanks for all the feedback. I ended up just turning off auto-sleep which made the overall experience much better, but disabled the RGB. I'll be testing the battery life over the next couple of days. Hopefully Keychron can address the wake functionality if at all possible as it's not very good.

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Keychron
keychron.com › home › keychron k3 qmk wireless mechanical keyboard (version 3)
Keychron K3 QMK Wireless Mechanical Keyboard (Version 3)
The polling rate is 1000 Hz on wired mode (90Hz on wireless mode) right out of the box, which makes the latency hardly noticeable even in competitive games. To further leverage your typing experience, the K3 version 3 comes with our unique LSA ...
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The AXO
theaxo.com › 2021 › keychron-k3-review
Keychron K3 Mechanical Keyboard Review: Perfect For The On-The-Go Typist | The AXO
July 5, 2021 - It doesn’t have the lowest latency/highest polling rate available. The Keychron K3 is a great choice, only if you’re someone who loves to bring your keyboard around with you. But if you already are a low-profile keyboard user, or into the design, you’re more than welcome to add the Keychron K3 to your existing arsenal of keyboards on your desk.
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Reddit
reddit.com › r/keychron › how’s the keychron k3 v2?
r/Keychron on Reddit: How’s the keychron K3 v2?
May 10, 2024 -

Hey guys I’m trying to figure what’s the best keychron keyboard between k3 v2 or the k3 max

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If you want the keys to be exceedingly responsive then go with the K3 V2 with Keychron Low-Profile Optical switches. You barely have to touch a key for it to register. This can be problematic for those who rest their fingers somewhat heavily on the keys when not typing or for those used to normal profile keyboards. If phantom keystrokes are a worry for you then the Gateron Low-Profile Mechanical switches require a little more force and travel to register. You can change switches at your convenience should you purchase the Hot-Swappable version of either keyboard. The keycaps are also made of different materials. The K3 V2 keycaps are made of ABS which are cheaper and therefore wear more easily over time. They also allow more light through from the backlight resulting in more legible symbols and vibrant colors. The K3 Max has keycaps made of PBT which cost more to manufacture and are more durable. However they have a more bland, dull and matte finish while also not allowing as much light through resulting in softer tones. I work in low light and prefer the backlight to shine through and enjoy the colors. I also have yet to notice any degradation or shine on the keycaps in normal lighting but it’s only been in use for less than a year. If the backlight is white or otherwise not as important and you work under normal lighting then you may prefer the PBT keycaps of the K3 Max. Of course you can always change the keycaps for those of your choosing just as long as you realize that those choices are much more limited. This will likely remain the case given the popularity of normal profile keyboards and the Keychron specific stabilizers on the larger keys (aka Space Bar, Left Shift, Backspace and Enter / Return). The K3 Max also has QMK / VIA support should you want access to macros and shortcuts but at the expense of losing optical switch compatibility. If you plan on mainly using the keyboard for working in normal light, aren’t excited about the backlight, or don’t plan on gaming as much then the K3 Max might be preferable. I tend to work in low light and game occasionally so the backlight colors and key responsiveness convinced me to stick with the K3 V2…. for now. Hope this helps.
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Some differences (far from exhaustive): K3 V2 Pros Less expensive (25%) than the K3 Max Cons Not QMK / Via -capble, thus extremely limited customisation (this association is only true in the Keychron universe, not in general). For example, except for very few configuration options, key can't be remapped. It may be possible to do host (computer) side, but it comes with its own complications. It may also be possible to get QMK anyway by going exotic , but it may require a lot of work and complications. The Prt Sc button only works in Windows mode(?). If it wasn't crippled, the Num Lock button would only work in Windows mode (?). No per-key RGB lighting The Bluetooth connection is not very reliable and has (inherently) high latency, measured as 30 ms. High latency in wired mode, measured as 16 ms K3 Max Pros QMK-capable, thus fully programmable (much better than any other mainstream commercial offering). The difficulty varies, from very easy keymapping with Via to very involved coding in C . '2.4 GHz ' wireless option. It is far more reliable than Bluetooth and has lower latency, close to the wired mode ( measured as 4 ms). Low latency in wired mode, measured as 3 ms Cons Per-key RGB lighting is possible, but it (practically) requires (simple) coding in C and is not dynamic (compiling and flashing is required for every change). There have been many attempts to make it more dynamic and easier, but there isn't a mainstream solution (it may take years, if ever). 25% more expensive than the K3 V2 (though not so bad in absolute terms). Both Pros As Keychron low-profile keyboards, both have RGB north-facing lighting, thus no unwanted light bleed . Cons The selection of keycaps is limited. Most users have trouble with the Bluetooth connection. It is far from seamless. Notes The RTINGS.com measurements should be cross checked with other sources. Latency may not matter, depending on what the keyboard is going to be used for. References K3 V2 product page . A 75% wired and wireless (Bluetooth only) slim mechanical keyboard. K3 Max product page . A 75% wired and wireless (both Bluetooth and '2.4 GHz ') low-profile QMK/Via-capable mechanical keyboard
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reddit.com › r/keychron › does anyone else keystroke input lag this bad?
r/Keychron on Reddit: Does anyone else keystroke input lag this bad?
October 4, 2020 - Was having the exact same issue with my new keychron k3 v2, and surpringly enough, it really was my bluetooth dongle which was the culprit....
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reddit.com › r/keychron › keychron k3 laggy
r/Keychron on Reddit: Keychron K3 Laggy
July 10, 2024 -

Its been a while now but I used my Keychron for almost a full year. After a period of not using it, it became laggy, missing keystrokes and sometimes not responding. I have used it on Mac myself, but also tried it on Windows and the problem seemed to be persistent. Also tried Bluetooth mode, but no luck. Planning on opening it to see if there might be something obvious (such as liquid), but I’m not aware of something strange happening to my keyboard.

Any suggestions?

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Unspecific, but par for the course is resetting to factory defaults and reflashing the firmware . Reset to factory defaults: Hold down Fn + J + Z for 4 seconds. Note the risk associated with the flashing firmware for K series. For example, the Bluetooth module can become (permanenly) bricked if flashing the wrong main firmware. References K3 (ANSI) product page . A 80% (not true TKL ) low-profile wired and wireless ( Bluetooth only) mechanical keyboard. In the 'K' series, not 'K Pro' series. Thus it is not QMK / Via -capable. RGB north-facing (no unwanted light bleed ) lighting (by virtue of being a low-profile keyboard) K3 key combination table K3 user manual Flashing the main firmware: Four different pages on this page Flashing the Bluetooth firmware: Two different pages on this page K3 (ANSI) product page . A 80% (not true TKL ) low-profile wired and wireless ( Bluetooth only) mechanical keyboard. In the 'K' series, not 'K Pro' series. Thus it is not QMK / Via -capable. RGB north-facing (no unwanted light bleed ) lighting (by virtue of being a low-profile keyboard) K3 Spanish (ISO) product page K3 Nordic (ISO) product page K3 German (ISO) product page K3 UK (ISO) product page K3 user manual K3 key combination table Flashing the main firmware: Four different pages on this page Flashing the Bluetooth firmware: Two different pages on this page RTINGS.com review, K3 V1 . Latency, wired: 15 ms (!). Latency, Bluetooth: 22 ms RTINGS.com review, K3 V2 . Latency, wired: 16 ms (!). Latency, Bluetooth: 30 ms
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Keychron
keychron.com › home › keychron k3 max qmk/via wireless custom mechanical keyboard
Keychron K3 Max QMK/VIA Wireless Custom Mechanical Keyboard
The polling rate is 1000 Hz on 2.4GHz and wired modes right out of the box, which makes the latency hardly noticeable even in competitive games. Elevate your typing with K3 Max featuring advanced IXPE acoustic foam for silent keystrokes and ...
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Reddit
reddit.com › r/keychron › k3 version 2 - any good?
r/Keychron on Reddit: K3 Version 2 - Any good?
February 4, 2024 -

Hi, I use a Mac and own an MX Mechanical Mini, but it has terrible issues with the ambient/proximity sensors. I have gone through 2 of them and even when my computer is asleep the backlight NEVER shuts off. I have emailed Logitech support a dozen times and it was a nightmare. I have also used an Apple Magic keyboard, but it is ridiculously flat so I ruled that out.

Thus I narrowed it down to the K3 Version 2 because a regular height mechanical keyboard just seems too tall for me. It seems like the K3 Version 2 gets really good reviews on Amazon and is pretty popular.

That said, I watched some reviews and some people mention the K3 version 2 has ABS keycaps, Bluetooth issues and is hard to type on, but a lot of people seem to be happy with it. Does anyone else have issues with it or is it a pretty good keyboard?

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This is a Fakespot Reviews Analysis bot. Fakespot detects fake reviews, fake products and unreliable sellers using AI. Here is the analysis for the Amazon product reviews: Name: Keychron K3 Version 2, 84 Keys Ultra-Slim Wireless Bluetooth/USB Wired Mechanical Keyboard with White LED Backlit, Low-Profile Gateron Mechanical Brown Switch Compatible with Mac Windows Company: Visit the Keychron Store Amazon Product Rating: 4.5 Fakespot Reviews Grade: B Adjusted Fakespot Rating: 4.5 Analysis Performed at: 05-31-2023 Link to Fakespot Analysis | Check out the Fakespot Chrome Extension! Fakespot analyzes the reviews authenticity and not the product quality using AI. We look for real reviews that mention product issues such as counterfeits, defects, and bad return policies that fake reviews try to hide from consumers. We give an A-F letter for trustworthiness of reviews. A = very trustworthy reviews, F = highly untrustworthy reviews. We also provide seller ratings to warn you if the seller can be trusted or not.
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I had a good experience with a k3v2 non hot-swappable, it's a great keyboard until I needed to buy a k17pro because I needed the numpad, 96% layout is perfect since I have small space to work from. I bought mine k3v2 with gateron red switches. Be sure to pick a hot-swappable model if you're undecided and want to try different switches. I also prefer low profile since I use my chromebook really often, and switch to Samsung s23 ultra to use whatsapp, since I'm bit to lazy to catch it 😂
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Keychron
keychron.com › home › keychron k3 pro qmk/via wireless custom mechanical keyboard
Keychron K3 Pro QMK/VIA Wireless Custom Mechanical Keyboard
The polling rate is 1000 Hz on wired mode right out of the box, which makes the latency hardly noticeable even in competitive games. We also provide a hot-swappable version for your choice, which means you can customize your typing experience ...
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AnandTech
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Testing & Conclusion - The Keychron K3 Low Profile Wireless Mechanical Keyboard Review
July 13, 2021 - At first glance, the Keychron K3 appears to be somewhat inconsistent. This is due to the minor tolerances of the optical sensors that the switches are using. As the travel distance is very short, even small actuation point differences translate to large differences in force.
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The Keyboard Company
keyboardco.com › keyboard › uk-keychron-k3v2-bluetooth-rgb-optical-tactile-ultra-slim-aluminium-macpc-75percent-keyboard.asp
UK Keychron K3v2 Bluetooth RGB Optical Tactile Ultra-slim Aluminium Mac/PC 75% Keyboard : K3-E3-UK : The Keyboard Company
You can easily hot-swap every Optical switch to customize your typing experience on the K3 without soldering. *Hot-swappable feature is available for low profile Keychron Optical switch version only. With the MX-styled stem housing and ultra-low latency, the low profile Keychron Optical switches are crafted for typists or gamers who want to type at lightning speed with a lifespan much greater than industry standards.
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The Keyboard Company
keyboardco.com › keyboard › usa-keychron-k3v2-bluetooth-backlit-optical-click-ultra-slim-aluminium-macpc-75percent-keyboard.asp
USA Keychron K3v2 Bluetooth Backlit Optical Click Ultra-slim Aluminium Mac/PC 75% Keyboard : K3-D2-USA : The Keyboard Company
You can easily hot-swap every Optical switch to customize your typing experience on the K3 without soldering. *Hot-swappable feature is available for low profile Keychron Optical switch version only. With the MX-styled stem housing and ultra-low latency, the low profile Keychron Optical switches are crafted for typists or gamers who want to type at lightning speed with a lifespan much greater than industry standards.