Benefits of moving from Python to Ruby?
When it comes to scripting languages, the objective differences are very nuanced. Largely, it depends on what you want to do. Python, for example, is extremely popular in the data sciences. A complementary example for Ruby would be rapid application development with Ruby on Rails, a web framework that allows you to build web applications very quickly. Another example would be building an API using Ruby's Sinatra library. Python also has web frameworks, so it's not as if Ruby has an exclusive claim to this benefit, but many developers find tools like Ruby on Rails and Sinatra very satisfying and beneficial to work with.
My recommendation would be to give Ruby an honest shot. Don't make the mistake of simply trying to write Python code using Ruby. Really dig in to what makes Ruby, Ruby. If you enjoy it, then you've added another language to your tool belt. If you don't, you might walk away with some ideas about development that you can apply to Python.
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Unix text processing (instead of awk, sed, Perl)
You've named the kings of that domain, ruby and python both have text processing/regexp facilities but they are nowhere near as fast. I like ruby's regexp implementation a little better than python's. (go figure, says the guy on the ruby subreddit)
Web development
Ruby has some pretty bitchin web frameworks, though django and flask do a lot of the same things. The only thing that might edge ruby out as a clear winner here is that rails has so much community support, so if you don't want to re-invent the wheel, you can use a gem, whereas python might not have the same level of community support for django. It's probably pretty close.
Programs for Unix open source projects
Python is probably viewed as more of a "systems language" now than ruby. Both are equally capable of being scripting languages used for everyday tasks, just depends on what you're wanting to do.
Mobile Dev (not as much important as the first three items).
Ruboto/Rubymotion/Mobiruby are all things. I think ruby might actually take this the most handily.
tl;dr Learn multiple languages, use the tools that make sense for the project. Don't be bound to a single language.
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Question from someone who invested much time in Python. What benefits Ruby has to convince to move? Instead continue with Python?
When it comes to scripting languages, the objective differences are very nuanced. Largely, it depends on what you want to do. Python, for example, is extremely popular in the data sciences. A complementary example for Ruby would be rapid application development with Ruby on Rails, a web framework that allows you to build web applications very quickly. Another example would be building an API using Ruby's Sinatra library. Python also has web frameworks, so it's not as if Ruby has an exclusive claim to this benefit, but many developers find tools like Ruby on Rails and Sinatra very satisfying and beneficial to work with.
My recommendation would be to give Ruby an honest shot. Don't make the mistake of simply trying to write Python code using Ruby. Really dig in to what makes Ruby, Ruby. If you enjoy it, then you've added another language to your tool belt. If you don't, you might walk away with some ideas about development that you can apply to Python.
Ruby delivers on the promise of being "optimized for programmer happiness." But I think that in order to experience that you have to become fairly immersed. In fact, some of the best parts seem outright offensive at first (question marks in method names?!). No language is perfect. But once you get past the idiosyncrasies, I honestly do think Ruby feels better. That's pretty esoteric, so I'll try to call out some specifics as well.
I agree with most of what's already been said, but I'll try to add a few things. In order of most to least significance (for me):
The standard library, especially with regard to collection methods. Want to slice/filter/sort/chunk an array/hash in some weird way? Ruby's standard library almost certainly supports it. So many amazing things are built-in across the board.
Not relying on indentation for scoping. It's one of my biggest beefs with Python. Yes, of course, code should be indented properly. But goodness....let my linter enforce that, not the interpreter. I don't love ruby's do/end keywords (I prefer curly-braces), but at least having a visual cue for end-block is a vast improvement over python.
A more consistent interface. Everything is an object, and you invoke methods on those objects. I think [].size just makes more intuitive sense than len([]).
Great readability boosts from things like question-marks or exclamation-points in method names (admittedly that felt gross and wrong at first), trailing if-statements, unless-conditionals, invoking methods without parens (though I only sanction this if not passing args).
A more helpful, less snobby community. 100% just my personal experience, maybe I've just had bad luck with pythonistas.
No __init__.py nonsense. Maybe that's fixed/improved in python3? But I hate it. In fact, I hate any use of dunders...littering the code with unreadable symbols.
Hi I want to learn an all-purpose scripting language which I can use in:
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Unix text processing (instead of awk, sed, Perl)
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Web development
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Programs for Unix open source projects
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Mobile Dev (not as much important as the first three items).
So, Ruby or Python?
Unix text processing (instead of awk, sed, Perl)
You've named the kings of that domain, ruby and python both have text processing/regexp facilities but they are nowhere near as fast. I like ruby's regexp implementation a little better than python's. (go figure, says the guy on the ruby subreddit)
Web development
Ruby has some pretty bitchin web frameworks, though django and flask do a lot of the same things. The only thing that might edge ruby out as a clear winner here is that rails has so much community support, so if you don't want to re-invent the wheel, you can use a gem, whereas python might not have the same level of community support for django. It's probably pretty close.
Programs for Unix open source projects
Python is probably viewed as more of a "systems language" now than ruby. Both are equally capable of being scripting languages used for everyday tasks, just depends on what you're wanting to do.
Mobile Dev (not as much important as the first three items).
Ruboto/Rubymotion/Mobiruby are all things. I think ruby might actually take this the most handily.
tl;dr Learn multiple languages, use the tools that make sense for the project. Don't be bound to a single language.
I did 8 years of scientific programming in ruby, and 3 years of professional web dev in python (yes, it's ironic). Both are great languages, and I'm more than happy to code in either language at this point. I personally think ruby is easier to use for most of the things you mentioned, and I think ruby is a more elegant language than python (I think ruby is a better language, but I do think aspects of python are better).
You really can't go wrong with either. And, as was already pointed out, use python 3.6 if you choose python (the 2 train has left the station, thank heavens).
Here are some key differences to me:
Ruby has blocks; Python does not.
Python has functions; Ruby does not. In Python, you can take any function or method and pass it to another function. In Ruby, everything is a method, and methods can't be directly passed. Instead, you have to wrap them in Proc's to pass them.
Ruby and Python both support closures, but in different ways. In Python, you can define a function inside another function. The inner function has read access to variables from the outer function, but not write access. In Ruby, you define closures using blocks. The closures have full read and write access to variables from the outer scope.
Python has list comprehensions, which are pretty expressive. For example, if you have a list of numbers, you can write
[x*x for x in values if x > 15]to get a new list of the squares of all values greater than 15. In Ruby, you'd have to write the following:
values.select {|v| v > 15}.map {|v| v * v}The Ruby code doesn't feel as compact. It's also not as efficient since it first converts the values array into a shorter intermediate array containing the values greater than 15. Then, it takes the intermediate array and generates a final array containing the squares of the intermediates. The intermediate array is then thrown out. So, Ruby ends up with 3 arrays in memory during the computation; Python only needs the input list and the resulting list.
Python also supplies similar map comprehensions.
Python supports tuples; Ruby doesn't. In Ruby, you have to use arrays to simulate tuples.
Ruby supports switch/case statements; Python does not.
Ruby supports the standardexpr ? val1 : val2ternary operator; Python does not.Ruby supports only single inheritance. If you need to mimic multiple inheritance, you can define modules and use mix-ins to pull the module methods into classes. Python supports multiple inheritance rather than module mix-ins.
Python supports only single-line lambda functions. Ruby blocks, which are kind of/sort of lambda functions, can be arbitrarily big. Because of this, Ruby code is typically written in a more functional style than Python code. For example, to loop over a list in Ruby, you typically do
collection.each do |value| ... endThe block works very much like a function being passed to
collection.each. If you were to do the same thing in Python, you'd have to define a named inner function and then pass that to the collection each method (if list supported this method):def some_operation(value): ... collection.each(some_operation)That doesn't flow very nicely. So, typically the following non-functional approach would be used in Python:
for value in collection: ...Using resources in a safe way is quite different between the two languages. Here, the problem is that you want to allocate some resource (open a file, obtain a database cursor, etc), perform some arbitrary operation on it, and then close it in a safe manner even if an exception occurs.
In Ruby, because blocks are so easy to use (see #9), you would typically code this pattern as a method that takes a block for the arbitrary operation to perform on the resource.
In Python, passing in a function for the arbitrary action is a little clunkier since you have to write a named, inner function (see #9). Instead, Python uses a
withstatement for safe resource handling. See How do I correctly clean up a Python object? for more details.
I, like you, looked for inject and other functional methods when learning Python. I was disappointed to find that they weren't all there, or that Python favored an imperative approach. That said, most of the constructs are there if you look. In some cases, a library will make things nicer.
A couple of highlights for me:
The functional programming patterns you know from Ruby are available in Python. They just look a little different. For example, there's a map function:
def f(x): return x + 1 map(f, [1, 2, 3]) # => [2, 3, 4]Similarly, there is a
reducefunction to fold over lists, etc.That said, Python lacks blocks and doesn't have a streamlined syntax for chaining or composing functions. (For a nice way of doing this without blocks, check out Haskell's rich syntax.)
For one reason or another, the Python community seems to prefer imperative iteration for things that would, in Ruby, be done without mutation. For example, folds (i.e.,
inject), are often done with an imperativeforloop instead ofreduce:running_total = 0 for n in [1, 2, 3]: running_total = running_total + nThis isn't just a convention, it's also reinforced by the Python maintainers. For example, the Python 3 release notes explicitly favor
forloops overreduce:Use
functools.reduce()if you really need it; however, 99 percent of the time an explicitforloop is more readable.List comprehensions are a terse way to express complex functional operations (similar to Haskell's list monad). These aren't available in Ruby and may help in some scenarios. For example, a brute-force one-liner to find all the palindromes in a string (assuming you have a function
p()that returns true for palindromes) looks like this:s = 'string-with-palindromes-like-abbalabba' l = len(s) [s[x:y] for x in range(l) for y in range(x,l+1) if p(s[x:y])]Methods in Python can be treated as context-free functions in many cases, which is something you'll have to get used to from Ruby but can be quite powerful.
In case this helps, I wrote up more thoughts here in 2011: The 'ugliness' of Python. They may need updating in light of today's focus on ML.