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'Does anybody believe this guy?' Mark Kelly rips Stephen Miller on CNN - Raw Story
1 week ago - Kelly asked, responding to the comments from Miller, who, nearly 24 hours ago, got in a testy conversation with Tapper after the anchor started asking Miller if Venezuela should hold elections to select a new leader instead of handing the country over to one of Maduro's underlings.
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'You are not allowed to break the law in service to this country': Sen. Mark Kelly - YouTube
Several Democratic lawmakers posted a video calling on members of the military and intelligence community to stand up for the Constitution, telling them they...
Published   November 20, 2025
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Pentagon to cut Sen. Mark Kelly's military retirement pay over 'seditious' video: Hegseth
1 week ago - The Pentagon will cut the military retirement pay of Sen. Mark Kelly for what Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth called the Arizona Democrat's "seditious" statements on a video with other members of Congress telling service members they have the right to refuse to execute illegal orders.
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Transcript: Senator’s Harsh Takedown of Trump Hits Home: “Bone Spurs!” | The New Republic
1 week ago - I’m your host, Greg Sargent. Last year, Senator Mark Kelly and five other Democrats posted a video with a stark message: Military service members and officials are not obliged to carry out illegal orders.
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News Wrap: Hegseth censures Sen. Kelly for video urging troops to resist unlawful orders | PBS News
Sen. Mark Kelly (D-AZ): You can refuse illegal orders. ... In November, Kelly and five other Democratic lawmakers released a video calling on U.S.
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Sen. Mark Kelly's maiden speech: Full transcript & video - Click pic for more:
August 4, 2021 - U.S. Sen. Mark Kelly delivered his first speech on the floor Wednesday, in a Senate tradition of "maiden speeches." Here is a transcript, as released by his office:
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Mark Kelly vows to fight back after his retired military rank, pay cut because of 'seditious' video - Washington Times
1 week ago - Sen. Mark Kelly on Monday vowed to fight efforts to cut his rank and pay as a retired U.S. Navy officer after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth accused him of making "seditious statements" in a video to military personnel.
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Sen. Mark Kelly tells service members they can refuse illegal orders - YouTube
Sen. Mark Kelly joins other congressional Democrats in delivering a pointed message to U.S. troops and intelligence personnel about their duty when faced wit...
Published   November 21, 2025
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r/Askpolitics on Reddit: How is Mark Kelly's video wrong when the Sec. of Defense recently said he would not follow the rules of engagement?
November 26, 2025 -

I am sure most people here are familiar with the unfolding controversy over Mark Kelly's recent video stating that soldiers can disobey illegal orders, with Hegseth having just ordered an investigation of the issue: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/nov/25/us-politics-pam-bondi-appeal-james-comey-letitia-james-cases-donald-trump-venezuela-latest-updates

What I want to understand is what reason anyone has why this kind of statement is wrong or unreasonable to make, when the Secretary of Defense, Hegseth himself, just recently stated his intent to not follow rules of engagement.

You can read his full speech here: https://www.war.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/4318689/secretary-of-war-pete-hegseth-addresses-general-and-flag-officers-at-quantico-v/

But I am referring to this excerpt:

>War is something you do sparingly on our own terms and with clear aims. We fight to win. We unleash overwhelming and punishing violence on the enemy.

We also don't fight with stupid rules of engagement. We untie the hands of our warfighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunt and kill the enemies of our country.

The US Marine Corps describes the Rules of Engagement as "those directives that delineate the circumstances and limitations under which United States (US) forces will initiate and/or continue combat engagement." It is a subset of the law of war. See here: https://www.trngcmd.marines.mil/Portals/207/Docs/TBS/B130936%20Law%20of%20War%20and%20Rules%20Of%20Engagement.pdf

He does not say he's going to change the rules of engagement. He simply says they're not going to fight with them. So it seems this is an unambiguous announcement of intent to issue illegal orders. Why then would it be wrong, let alone illegal, for a representative to say that soldiers can and should disobey illegal orders?

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Technical point (the best kind of point?): you're getting a bit mixed up as to the relationship between the Laws of Warfare (LoW) and Rules of Engagement (RoE) here OP. Laws of Warfare are international laws designed to prohibit atrocities when nations are engaged in wars. Rules of Engagement are entirely self created by the DoD/US and are a set of internal rules that set the standard on what troops are allowed to do. Key distinction: Laws of Land Warfare are international law. Rules of Engagement are limits we voluntarily place on ourselves. So when Hegseth said "we also don't fight with stupid rules of engagement" he means we're not going to limit ourselves in ways that don't make any sense. He didn't say or mean that we're going to start ignoring the Laws of Land Warfare. As an example: In the Vietnam war, significant limitations were placed on the ability to attack targets in Hanoi even though the LoW would state that these are perfectly legitimate targets. We established RoE against attacking them for political reasons. As a more contemporary example. RoE in Iraq could say "under no circumstance are you allowed to shoot at a target until you are first fired upon." Under that kind of RoE a military convoy in the middle of the desert, where no civilians live, could in theory see a road-block with armed people in defensive fighting positions set up ahead of them, and they would have to either stop and seek legal permission to violate the RoE or continue to drive towards that ambush until they were shot at. This is the kind of stupid rule of engagement that Hegseth is talking about. To repeat my earlier line: the meaning of his words was not that we're going to fight with zero RoE or ignore the LoW. His message was that we're not going to self-impose dumb rules on the troops.
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Did he say they’re not going to fight with any rules of engagement or with stupid ones? If it’s “stupid ones”, then it would depend on which ones are considered stupid and whether those specific ones are legally binding in the US as to whether he’s giving an illegal order. The US has changed ROE numerous times. For instance, the US is legally bound by the 1949 Geneva Protocol and the 2005 Additional Protocol III. Both were signed and ratified. But the 1977 Protocols I and II were never ratified and therefore not legally binding (although we use some of their principles). International law is irrelevant if it hasn’t been ratified in some way to make it legally binding, so it really depends what specific rule is in question at the time. Soldiers do have a right to refuse orders they consider illegal. Of course, they can be punished for it and would have to successfully defend their actions in court or be held responsible for insubordination or other crimes.
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The Atlantic
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‘Aren’t We Supposed to Be the Good Guys Here?’ - The Atlantic
6 days ago - Senator Mark Kelly: It would probably be the biggest mistake any president has made in the history of this country. For us to threaten them, especially with force, that we’re just gonna take your stuff; we’re gonna take your territory—is that who we’ve become? That’s Russia. We are not that kind of a nation. Rosin: Kelly had his own personal run-in with the U.S. military this week—or at least with Hegseth. It concerned a video that Kelly made, along with five other Democratic lawmakers who had also served in the military or the intelligence community.
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Mark Kelly responds to investigation by Pentagon over 'illegal orders' video | Fox News
Sen. Mark Kelly, D-Ariz., appeared on MS NOW on Monday where he addressed a video where he and five other Democrats urged service members to “refuse illegal orders."
Published   November 25, 2025
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News Wrap: Pentagon investigating Kelly over video urging troops to refuse illegal orders | PBS News
Mark Kelly over a video urging U.S. troops to refuse to follow illegal orders, the Trump administration designated Venezuela's 'Cartel de los Soles' as a foreign terror organization, the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation says it's ending its operations ...
Published   November 25, 2025
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Hegseth censures Sen. Mark Kelly over video about unlawful orders - ABC News
1 week ago - Mark Kelly speaks during a news conference at the Capitol, in Washington, Dec. 1, 2025. J. Scott Applewhite/AP · "Your status as a sitting United States Senator does not exempt you from accountability for conduct that undermines good order and discipline in our Armed Forces," the letter reads. ... Kelly and the other five Democrats involved in the November video directed at military members have defended their message as being in line with the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the Constitution.
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Mark Kelly Responds After Hegseth's Censure
1 week ago - Mark Kelly is firing back aggressively at both defense chief Pete Hegseth and President Trump over the Pentagon's action against him. Soon after Hegseth censured Kelly and threatened to reduce his military retirement rank and pay because of a video message to troops, the Arizona Democrat declared that he would "fight this with everything I've got," reports the Hill.
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The Bulwark
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Mark Kelly Isn’t Backing Down - by John Avlon - The Bulwark
4 weeks ago - Senator Mark Kelly sits down with John Avlon to discuss Pentagon intimidation, the rule of law, and his AI for America plan—covering job displacement, data-center energy demands, and what it will take for the U.S.
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