Yes and no. It's still bad, but it's consistently and predictably bad. This means I can have pre-written copy and paste responses to all the usual issues. And with the Purchase Protection Program I can add to each reply that if it never shows up (or it's late) Etsy will issue a full refund. This usually calms them down enough that they are willing to wait a couple days, or go through the refund process if necessary. What has been fascinating is that ebay uses the same PB letter tracking system that Etsy uses. And like you said, there are always a couple messages a week on Esty with people confused/angry about what the PB tracking says. But I have never once had an ebay customer reach out with any issues. Are people on Etsy crankier than ebay? Is PB giving ebay the data in a different way than Etsy? It's a puzzle! Answer from bigblued on reddit.com
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reddit.com › r/etsysellers › is pitney bowes letter tracking still horrible?
r/EtsySellers on Reddit: Is Pitney Bowes letter tracking still horrible?
July 28, 2024 -

I sold stickers for several years until around 2022, and did well pre-star seller era. I shipped with stamps, a hundred or more orders a month and had maybe ONE envelope get lost or be late per month. After Etsy starting forcing tracking, I switched to the first class tracking option and it became a nightmare. I was getting 4-5 customers a week asking where there orders were. An envelope would sometimes be scanned delivered a dozen ???? times in the tracking details, not be delivered, and they would actually get it 2-3 days later, after messaging me combative and hateful of course.

I was getting terrible reviews over it at no fault of my own. It got exhausting at the same time I had a big life change so I just took the listings down and switched to all digital. I’d love to start again if it could be different but after the drop in views and revenue I saw in my digital items recently the month I had a 94% message response rate and lost star seller (and immediate skyrocketing once I got it back) I know I can’t succeed without it.

Does fake tracking work? Has Pitney Bowes gotten better?! I literally just want to use ****ing stamps.

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reddit.com › r/etsy › so sick & tired of sellers using pitney bowes to ship orders
r/Etsy on Reddit: So sick & tired of sellers using Pitney Bowes to ship orders
July 19, 2024 -

I cringe everytime someone ships with that scammy company because it's a 50/50 chance I'll actually get it. Tracking these numbers hardly work (only work on Etsy most of the time), plus PB lets packages sit in their "facilities" for days (sometimes for weeks) on end before sending it along. And in one case (package bought from elsewhere) send it to the WRONG destination hub (i.e. Atlanta, where there's a MAJOR problem going on with mail delivery right now) where it's just sitting for who the hell knows how long. PB customer service is the absolute worst & no help at all since they refuse to admit to their f-ups and tell you to contact the shipper or USPS. These games with packages have caused many sellers to lose money due to customers like myself demanding refunds because of slow or lost deliveries.

I know PB are the cheapest for sellers to ship, but they'd do better profit wise if they'd just use USPS instead. In fact, Etsy needs to stop allowing shipping with this company altogether.

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reddit.com › r/etsysellers › tracking down a package with pitney-bowes number at post office?
r/EtsySellers on Reddit: Tracking down a package with Pitney-Bowes number at post office?
January 12, 2023 -

I generate my USPS mailing labels through Etsy, and I know that the tracking numbers don't work through USPS tracking, you have to use the Pitney-Bowes site.

My issue is that I dropped off a package at the post office I always use last week. It was a typical shipment like hundreds of others I've done. But it still says "pre-transit" as of 6 days ago. I went into the post office to try and get info on it, but the person at the desk wasn't helpful. He tried the tracking number which didn't work of course. My customer is wondering why his order is taking so long and I wanted to try and tell him something. I didn't know how else to explain to him. I brought another printout copy of the label I used for the shipment in question, and showed an identical package I was mailing that day with the same type of label, and he just kinda shrugged. 👍

It's weird how these labels move through the USPS system with tracking updates that can be seen through Etsy and Pitney-Bowes but can't be seen through USPS tracking (or by their employees). It seems like a wacky system, and sometimes customers freak out that the tracking number doesn't work. But it normally goes fine and I haven't ever had a package lost. I have a feeling this one will probably be fine eventually, but you never know.

I didn't want to be a Karen and get a supervisor involved at the post office, but if the package is in their possession and is being shipped by them, they should be able to tell me something. I'll probably go back again after work.

Does anyone else have experience or tips with physically tracking things down at least offices? Any jargon or terminology I need to use? Secret handshake?

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reddit.com › r/boxycharm › pitney bowes tracking
r/boxycharm on Reddit: Pitney Bowes tracking
July 26, 2021 -

I have a box coming to me soon and the tracking for it is from "pitney bowes," a logistics/ shipping tracking company I've never heard of. Has anyone had any experience with this company because I read some reviews on Google and its left me wondering if I will receive anything at all 😅

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reddit.com › r/etsycommunity › etsy order has pitney bowes tracking but it says shipped via usps on the tracking info on etsy’s website.
r/EtsyCommunity on Reddit: Etsy order has Pitney Bowes tracking but it says shipped via USPS on the tracking info on Etsy’s website.
November 23, 2022 -

I ordered something from a seller in Texas on Etsy. I live in Virginia. When they shipped the order, the info on the Etsy website said it was shipped via USPS even though the tracking number starts with 003, a Pitney Bowes tracking number. When I check for updates on the USPS website it says it’s invalid. Well of course it is; so why would Etsy say it’s shipped via USPS when it’s clearly not a USPS tracking number? How long should I expect to wait for my package? According to Pitney Bowes tracking, it was scanned as an origin scan in Coppell, TX on Thursday and hasn’t moved since.

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Pitney Bowes is not a shipper. They are a postage reseller. Your seller did indeed track it using USPS, by buying a label though Etsy’s shipping system, and since it starts with 003 it must be a letter or “flat” envelope. I’m guessing stickers or something? Seller did this to save up to 70% on the shipping costs vs buying a USPS “parcel” label. You can’t track those on the USPS site, as you’ve already experienced. Only through Your etsy purchase history. I’ve heard it might be traceable on the PB website but it would be exactly the same info. PB “tracking” only happens as the envelope passes through their scanners/sorting machines at USPS facilities. It may be scanned zero, once, or a few times on its journey, depending on whether the hubs it goes through have those machines (USPS had been removing many of them over the past couple years user DeJoy’s leadership). I ship about half my packages as parcel and half as flats, with this same tracking. Though it shouldn’t be slower, evidence tells me that they can be when it’s a letter or flat. By a couple days, nothing major. I do this to keep my costs low for my customers. I’ve never had one of those permanently go missing. And - this is important- Etsy May send you an “hooray, it’s been delivered!” E-mail on the day it is scanned in the USPS hub nearest you. However, it could still take 3 days to arrive after that. So please don’t harass your seller immediately when etsy suggests it’s been delivered but it’s actually still in the mail stream. Give it a couple days. Your seller will be able to see the same info you can, and there’s no USPS support if you want the seller to investigate it’s whereabouts, however, etsy may be able to help if it indeed never arrives. Doesn’t surprise me that you’ve seen no additional scans since 5 days ago. It’s likely it’ll just show up in the next few days and there will be no more scans. The mail person can’t scan those either, which is why it’s not a true “delivery” scan but rather an estimate if PB sees it go through a scanner in your area hub. All in all… don’t worry.
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Did you receive your order? I’m currently in a similar situation, my order was marked as delivered but I have not received it.
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reddit.com › r/etsycommunity › pitney bowes says delivered but haven’t received.
r/EtsyCommunity on Reddit: Pitney Bowes says delivered but haven’t received.
July 14, 2023 -

So on the etsy app, the seller said it was “shipped by usps” but i checked the tracking number it was for pitney bowes. I checked the website and it says my package was marked delivered but i havent received it. This was my first time purchasing on etsy. I do know that pitney bowes is a shipping partner for USPS so i’m thinking pitney delivered it to the post office and that usps will be the one to deliver it. Is this true?

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reddit.com › r/fabfitfun › pitney bowes has 2 tracking websites with different information: cs says it's in atlanta and the other says my package is in ca
r/FabFitFun on Reddit: Pitney Bowes has 2 tracking websites with different information: CS says it's in Atlanta and the other says my package is in CA
November 12, 2020 -

Let's just go ahead and add another level of madness to this season's shipping woes.

I contacted customer service again today looking for my BF order. They said my package is going to be delivered Monday. I'm looking at USPS and Pitney Bowes tracking and neither has an estimated delivery date and both say the package is still across the country in California. I questioned them on the info and they sent me a link to A SEPARATE PB TRACKING WEBSITE. What even.

Here's the tracking website that google sent me to: https://tracking.pb.com/

Here's the tracking website CS is using: https://pitneybowes.shipment.co/track/

FFF CS's tracker says my package has been in Atlanta at the USPS facility for days. USPS says this is not the case and my package is still in California, which is also what the other PB tracker is saying. I'm pretty sure CS is using this other tracking service because it's reporting where the package should be rather than where it is (something we know PB does). This way they don't have to replace my order. I trust when the USPS says they haven't received it, however I hope I'm wrong and my box magically shows up Monday!

Either way, fabfitfun hasn't been very fun this season, just incredibly stressful as I try to track down Christmas presents that will hopefully get here by the 24th (though I'm losing hope on that one).

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reddit.com › r/etsysellers › pitney bowes tracking woes
r/EtsySellers on Reddit: Pitney Bowes tracking woes
August 1, 2021 -

Hi all - I switched to using Etsy’s labels nearly a year ago and have had minimal issues until recently. For reference, I ship out decals in envelopes and prints in flats - Etsy uses Pitney Bowes for items shipped in such packaging. Typically, I would drop items at the post, they would change in the system from “pre-transit” within a few hours and show tracking thru delivery. The only two issues I had were 1) sometimes the order is marked delivered a day or two before it arrived, and 2) items going missing occasionally.

Since the start of this month, I’ve used the labels to ship out over 200 orders. The issue: all are still marked pre-transit. I have customers wondering if I’ve even shipped their order and folks worrying about delivery dates. I’ve had a handful of people leave reviews for those items, so I assume some orders have been delivered and have just remained “pre-transit.”

I’ve spoken with a postal carrier—she indicated there isn’t a barcode on the labels that USPS would even scan. I’ve also read somewhere that Pitney Bowes doesn’t even guarantee tracking—just delivery confirmation.

Any idea what’s going on? Is this typical for other folks? How is everyone else explaining Pitney Bowes tracking to customers?

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reddit.com › r/pitneybowes › does pitney bowes consider a package delivered once the usps has it?
r/PitneyBowes on Reddit: Does Pitney Bowes consider a package delivered once the USPS has it?
September 19, 2023 -

Update: so to those wondering. It was delivered to USPS then USPS delivered it to me.

Sorry, this is gonna be long and perhaps is coming out as jumbled, if so I'm sorry. Please don't hesitate to ask questions for clarity.

So, I've been waiting for a package coming from Tennessee (I'm in Cali) that I ordered through Mercari. It was mailed on the 11th. I've waited for updates and been checking the USPS website and it never updated. This is because Mercari said it trackable via USPS, I didn't realize this is inaccurate until my multi-courier tracking app notified me that it has been delivered and I'm like "huh?" This is when I saw that it was in fact through PB not USPS and that I should've been tracking via Pitney Bowes' site.

Mercari needs to be more clear about this.

Like I said, I've been using this tracking app and yesterday it showed that it was in West Sacramento (the main mail hub for Sacramento) and USPS's Informed Delivery showed that I have it coming today. I saw the actual envelope. The status has been "out for delivery" since 2am this morning.Well, I just got an alert from my tracking app stating it was delivered but the mail hasn't even been dropped off yet.

This isn't the first time this has happened either, I had a package from eBay showing that it was delivered "on the porch" and I couldn't find it anywhere, I reached out to the seller and he immediately refunded me and the following day, it shows up in my mailbox (yes I reached back out to him and paid him back). This was not a Pitney Bowes package though, it was delivered via DHL then handed off to the USPS to be delivered to my house.

So I'm confused. Does Pitney Bowes consider it delivered once the USPS has the package?

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reddit.com › r/canadapost › pitney bowes
r/CanadaPost on Reddit: Pitney Bowes
November 25, 2021 -

I ordered an item from EBay and it is using the global shipping program. The tracking number I was given was going to Pitney Bowes which has arrived in their facility. I called Pitney for a tracking number from their facility to mine but the guy on the phone was useless and told me to contact the seller which makes no sense. They have the package so they should be providing me the tracking.

Anyone have a similar experience and can tell me their experience how it went?

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reddit.com › r › PitneyBowes
r/PitneyBowes
October 24, 2017 - Do Pitney Bowes tracking numbers start with a 0? Also, how long are Pitney Bowes tracking numbers? Read the body of this post to find out why I asked those two questions.
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reddit.com › r/australiapost › pitney bowes?
r/AustraliaPost on Reddit: Pitney Bowes?
June 9, 2024 -

Has anyone had a parcel delivered through this company from overseas? I’ve got a tracking number for Australia Post but nothing has moved with this number since 3rd June.

Pitney Bowes tracking says the parcel cleared customs on the 22nd June. Australia post hasn’t picked up the item and there are 0 updates. I’m getting super frustrated because I can’t get a straight answer from either companies.

I just want my ginger cat toy for my two year old.

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reddit.com › r/pitneybowes › do pitney bowes tracking numbers start with a 0? also, how long are pitney bowes tracking numbers? read the body of this post to find out why i asked those two questions. thank you in advance for answering my two questions.
r/PitneyBowes on Reddit: Do Pitney Bowes tracking numbers start with a 0? Also, how long are Pitney Bowes tracking numbers? Read the body of this post to find out why I asked those two questions. Thank you in advance for answering my two questions.
August 4, 2024 -

Here is the reason why I asked those questions in the title of this post: Last week, I bought something off of eBay. After I bought the item, I received an Order Update email from eBay saying that my order has been shipped. When I opened that Order Update email, I noticed that it had a tracking number in it (By the way, I should note that before I received that email, I was informed by eBay right after I ordered my item that my item was going to be shipped by usps.).

Since I was informed by eBay that my item was going to be shipped by usps, I went to usps' package tracking page, typed in the tracking number of my item, and was greeted with an error message that says "Status not available. The tracking number may be incorrect or the status update is not yet available. Please verify your tracking number and try again later.". Here is a link to a screenshot of the error message: https://ibb.co/qR86ZYj

After I was greeted with that error message, I searched my error message up on Google and found out that my item may be done in the Pitney Bowes system instead of the normal usps system.

The tracking number of the item I bought off of eBay is 20 numbers long and starts with a 0.

Do Pitney Bowes tracking numbers start with a 0? Also, how long are Pitney Bowes tracking numbers?

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reddit.com › r/etsy › usps & pitney bowes
r/Etsy on Reddit: USPS & Pitney Bowes
September 5, 2021 -

Any time I send envelopes using Etsy, it prints Pitney Bowes shipping labels. I've had issues with Pitney Bowes marking the envelopes delivered before they're actually delivered. I asked my local post office what's going on? The supervisor said they can't help me because it's not a USPS tracking # and what I thought was a Pitney Bowes tracking barcode is actually the price of the stamp. She said they just throw those envelopes in a bin in the back to be sent to the sorting facility. I've called Pitney Bowes, but they'd just tell me to go to USPS and sort it out with them. I'm at a loss. Have y'all gone through anything similar?

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The tracking is legit USPS tracking, Pitney Bowes just provides the label and the access to the data. Frontline USPS workers don't know what it is because it wasn't intended to be used as "real" tracking, but more of a marketing tool for bulk mailers. So the only people who actually use this are huge mass mailers of marketing junk, and a smattering of Etsy and eBay users. There will never be a physical acceptance or delivered scan as the handheld that the carriers use don't read these barcodes. And no carrier in their right mind would ever be able to scan every letter they delivery anyway. Heck, they can barely scan the packages lol. Most scans you see are done on the automated sorting equipment at the processing plants. So those are physical scans on actual equipment of that individual letter. The delivery scans are all "assumed" scans based on timed events. With the main timed event being when a letter reaches the final destination sort center plant. They know the letter will be delivered shortly so after a set amount of time it gets an updated "scan" of delivered. Sometimes it just takes an extra day or two for the letter to actually make it to the destination Post Office and get on a truck for delivery. The best thing you can do is let the customers know their item is coming in a regular letter, and that the tracking will often show delivered a day or two before it shows up in their mailbox. So give them a heads up with a picture with text of what your letters will look like, and then send a small blurb as a note to the customers when you print the label reminding them again. It also helps to use colorful envelopes/stickers/logos, etc., to try to help them stand out from the regular junk mail these will inevitably be mixed in with.
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It's a pseudotracking seemingly based on probability, historical data, and the prevalence of unicorn farts. It counts as tracked for Etsy's purposes but yes, this happens and is mentioned fairly frequently here when the service is mentioned. There isn't much to be done.