The Cowardly Lion is the lion cub Elphaba and Fiyero brought into the woods during Part 1. This is spun into blaming Elphaba for the lion's cowardice - in the song "March of the Witch Hunters" the Tin Man has the lines: And the lion also / Has a grievance to repay / If she'd let him fight his own battles / When he was young / He wouldn't be a coward today! Answer from hikingdyke on reddit.com
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reddit.com › r/wicked › coward lion and the scarecrow in part 2 (spoiler)
r/wicked on Reddit: Coward Lion and The Scarecrow in Part 2 (Spoiler)
October 19, 2024 -

Am I the only one confused on why people are having a hard time thinking about how they’re gonna tie up the Scarecrow storyline from the Wizard of Oz and Wicked? They could just explain he was pretending to follow along to Dorothy’s plan just so he could get to Elphaba and explain what was going on, and fake her death with her. Seems like an easy fix to me lol.

One thing I am actually concerned about is how they’re gonna make the Coward Lion be against Elphaba since she helped set him free and is clearly on a mission to help the animals (such as him) of Oz. What are your thoughts about this?

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reddit.com › r/wicked › idk why, but it never crossed my mind that the cowardly lion from the novel was a... well regular lion not a dude with a lion’s mane😅
r/wicked on Reddit: Idk why, but it never crossed my mind that the Cowardly Lion from the novel was a... well regular lion not a dude with a lion’s mane😅
October 19, 2024 - And yes he is the lion Elphaba saves at Shiz. ... Yes! He wrote more than Oz inspired books, there’s ones about Alice in Wonderland, Cinderella, and a few more. I’ve only read the Wicked related ones. Continue this thread ... There are lyrics in a Part 2 song that state “and the lion also has a grievance to repay/if she let him fight his own battles when he was young, he wouldn’t be a coward today” so yeah, it’s the lion she saved at Shiz and they will use anything against her
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reddit.com › r/wicked › i just realised how the lion became the cowardly lion...
r/wicked on Reddit: I just realised how the lion became the Cowardly Lion...
January 3, 2025 -

I was watching the movie, and maybe this was obvious to everyone else, but it crossed my mind when they released the lion 'No! He was raised in captivity! He won't survive out there!' just instinctively, seeing everything as an actual forest and actual lion just changed my thoughts process.

Now obviously animals are more human like in this film, so he would have survived, but it made me think. The new professor did say being raised in captivity makes animals unable to speak....

What if being caged during formative years gave the lion a speech impediment and his mild nature?

Idk if this was obvious to everyone else, but seeing the animals as actual animals instead of hybrids made things make a little more sense.

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reddit.com › r/wicked › but what do they do with the little lion cub? 🥺 (spoilers okay.)
r/wicked on Reddit: But what do they do with the little lion cub? 🥺 (Spoilers okay.)
March 8, 2025 -

They seem to take him off school grounds, they have their moment, and then Fiyero says he better get the cub to safety and dashes off but I assume there isn't a local lion rescue org nearby. Do we know what he does with the little guy?

I know that the cub becomes the Cowardly Lion but do the books or the musical say what happens him after his rescue?

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reddit.com › r/wicked › scarecrow, tin man, and lion in wicked movie?
r/wicked on Reddit: Scarecrow, Tin Man, and Lion in Wicked movie?
February 18, 2024 -

Hi! I saw the wicked broadway show a while ago and remember the showing of how the Tin Man, The Scarecrow, and the Lion were created. I know the movie is only part one, but wasn't that backstory also part of part one? Did they take this out of the movie.

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reddit.com › r/wicked › are the scarecrow, tin man, and cowardly lion aware of who they are?
r/wicked on Reddit: Are the scarecrow, tin man, and cowardly lion aware of who they are?
November 18, 2024 -

Ok I’m having a tough time properly phrasing the question, my words aren’t wording right now so forgive me.

What i mean is, does the scarecrow know that the tin man is Boq? Does the tin man know that the scarecrow is Fiyero? Are they just pretending to not know each other for the sake of Dorothy, or do they really just not recognize each other and assume they’re strangers?

I guess that includes the wizard too since Fiyero worked for him. Does he not know that the scarecrow is his once trusted captain of the guard (or whatever he was)?

In the musical, Boq seems to know who the cowardly lion is and his backstory with Elphaba, or at least the version they believe where she kidnapped him instead of saving him.

Maybe that question will be answered in part 2, idk. I’m just wondering if maybe it’s mentioned anywhere in the book or something?

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reddit.com › r/wicked › cowardly lion casting speculation for part 2?
r/wicked on Reddit: Cowardly Lion Casting Speculation for Part 2?
December 22, 2023 -

I didn’t see anyone cast on Part 2’s IMDB page for the voice of the Lion. Who do y’all want to voice the Lion, or who do you think is likely? How ironic would it be if no one was cast because he didn’t have any speaking lines?

EDIT: I haven’t seen the musical since 2009, and I don’t recall most of Act II so I don’t remember if the Lion had any speaking roles then.

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reddit.com › r/wicked › will dorothy, scarecrow, tinman, lion actual be shown in part 2??? how will they do that? will they go into future?
r/wicked on Reddit: will dorothy, scarecrow, tinman, lion actual be shown in part 2??? how will they do that? will they go into future?
August 19, 2024 - so boq is the tin man and fiyero is the scarecrow, but what does that mean? is there a lion? are they actually them or is it just based off it? could you explain more! i’m so interested in that! ... A place for discussion about all things Wicked. Novel fans, musical fans, and fans of the films are all welcome. ... What'll happen to them in the 2nd movie?
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reddit.com › r/wicked › first look at the cowardly lion
r/wicked on Reddit: First Look at the Cowardly Lion
April 22, 2025 - With the Lion’s expression here, I’m betting he DOES remember Elphaba. Yeah he may just be scared to face her/the Wizard like the rest of the crew but that face is agony! I’m betting that’s the face he makes after Tin Man says “but ...
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reddit.com › r/wicked › finished watching wicked2 i have some thoughts and rants
r/wicked on Reddit: Finished watching wicked2 I have some thoughts and rants
November 21, 2025 -
  1. Mdm Morrible's acting felt a bit stiff like she held herself back acting wise?

  2. Elphaba's sister's death and what happened after Boq turning into a tinman were not developed enough-- it was just touch and go and that's it

  3. Why must Elphaba die to bring peace to city of Oz? Or is it her broom that's the issue

  4. I felt that Glinda was quite selfish? Like she sings about how she cherishes her friendship with Elphaba but not cherishable enough to put aside her pursuit to be "good and popular" to clear Elphaba's name and maybe they can live tgt?

  5. The elphaba fiyero thing caught me off guard maybe that's why it's best for them and glinda to go their separate ways

  6. Felt that the movie showcased Elphaba's character development more and her voice is so fking good? Glinda came forth as abit selfish/self centered to me

what are your thoughts on wicked 2 and j would love to hear your interpretations/opinions

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I thought the acting was fine but her singing was awful lol Agreed. The first movie had so much deep emotion over the smallest things, but characters were literally being murdered in this one and nobody really cared. It was very odd. Needed way more breathing room. The idea is that once people believe a lie so much it just becomes truth and trying to rewrite the story will not change their minds- so nobody will feel peace until the threat of Oz (Elphaba) is gone. Although I found that point gets kind of ruined when Glinda gives her speech at the end and the animals come out. We were told Oz suffered greatly in the past so the animals were blamed, and we’ve been shown how impossible it was to change their minds, but all of a sudden everyone just accepts them in a few minutes? If that’s the case then Elphaba didn’t even need to leave after all. Elphaba is making a sacrifice by telling Glinda to continue to be in power so she can make better choices for Oz, even though Glinda does want to tell everyone the truth. They feel that if Glinda tries to clear her name, everyone will just turn against her. Although like mentioned in my previous point this sacrifice gets lost when Glinda brings the animals out after very little convincing lol. I actually felt that the movie took way too much time focusing on Glinda but agree she felt very self centered. There was so much of her just wandering around and feeling sorry for herself but I never felt like she actually showed any growth or understanding of the serious stakes at play. Like we get it, she’s the girl in the bubble who tells lies to people and now wants to be real. But where’s the reflection on the way her actions have impacted others? I also wish we got more of Elphaba’s arc to accepting her wickedness, the movie kind of steamrolls after no good deed.
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A funny thing I noticed, spoiler alert: when Glinda and Elphaba are at Fiyero’s castle and Elphie is telling her not to clear her name, she says “now wait a minute” instead of saying “now wait a clock tick”
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reddit.com › r/wicked › what did the lion have against elphaba?
r/wicked on Reddit: What did the Lion have against Elphaba?
January 19, 2025 -

Spoilers for part 2 of the movie if you haven't seen the stage musical.

So this is a question I've wondered for a while but in "March of the Witch Hunters" Boq is rallying the crowd to go hunt Elphaba and talks about his personal vendetta. But then he mentions the Lion:

"And the Lion also has a grievance to repay If she'd let him fight his own battles When he was young He wouldn't be a coward, today!"

Obviously this is the Cowardly Lion from the Wizard of Oz and the lion cub from Act 1 that she rescues with Fiyero but aside from propaganda, why would the Lion have an issue with her. She only interacted briefly with him when he was younger and helped him by freeing him from the cage? I'm pretty sure he'd still be a coward if he wasn't freed, plus he wouldn't be able to talk.

Is it just Boq spreading stupid propaganda or does the Lion actually blame her for some reason?

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reddit.com › r/wicked › one thing that confused me about the ending of part 2(major spoilers)
r/wicked on Reddit: One thing that confused me about the ending of part 2(major spoilers)
April 13, 2025 -

How exactly does Glinda take over?

The Wizard finds out Elphaba was his daughter and then Glinda just seemingly takes over from both him and Morrible?

That part confused me. Maybe I’ve missed something?

If not do you think this will be expanded more in the movie?

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She exiles the Wizard and sends Morrible to prison for being shit humans. Since she’s already a (beloved) public figure it’s pretty easy to just go around Oz to get support at that point. But of course she has to keep it vague so she says oh the Wizard has to leave. As for how she explains Morrible, it’s not in Wicked’s book or musical, not sure if it’s in other books. It may be she doesn’t need to if the majority of Ozians don’t know her. But remember the musical and movie and book are all different - particularly BOOK and both movie/ musical. So in the book Glinda is removed from the Morrible thing, it’s different. As for expanding - I suppose the scene could be a bit longer but it doesn’t change the bottom line much. Having not seen the movie lol- we’ll see what they do. Of everything to expand or literally add (ex - wedding v just engagement) that’s lower on my personal list due to the aforementioned lack of changing. But I’m up for whatever they have! But keep reading the books if you want to know more. I’ve only read summaries, couldn’t get into them after Wicked. Bless Gregory, his writing is a lot to handle if you’re not all in.
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I always just took it as this is where he decided to go back with Dorothy, as he’s completely defeated. But it’s kinda a hole with the movie (they destroyed the balloon; also annoying in the movie how does he not put two and two together and think that Elphaba is his daughter? He knows her full name and more than likely what family she comes from)
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Who Is the Lion in Wicked? Everything You Need to Know
June 18, 2025 - In both the Wicked movie and musical, the Cowardly Lion is a lion cub that Elphaba and Fiyero free from captivity at Shiz University after a new history teacher cages the Lion after Doctor Dillamond is sadly caged and taken away by Ozian guards.