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Reddit
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r/ValueInvesting on Reddit: Why Apple is the world's most obvious Value Trap
August 10, 2025 -

Everyone sees Apple as the ultimate safe stock, but my analysis shows it's a classic value trap waiting to spring. Its premium $3T valuation is dangerously disconnected from a new reality of stagnating growth, mounting threats, and a faltering innovation engine.

And before anyone says it's not a value trap, the term ‘value trap’ often conjures images of beaten-down, statistically cheap stocks that lure in value investors only to fall further. But the worst traps are not the ones that look cheap; they are the ones that still look magnificent. A true value trap is a company whose premium valuation is dangerously disconnected from a deteriorating reality. It persuades investors with the ghost of past glories, a powerful brand, and a reputation for invincibility that masks the grim reality of stagnating growth and mounting existential threats. Investors keep paying for a future that the fundamentals can no longer support.

Now here's why I think Apple is one:

Firstly, Apple is trading at a P/E ratio over 30, a price you'd pay for a high-growth innovator. But its revenue growth is projected to be a sluggish 4-6%.You can get double or triple that growth from Microsoft or Google for a similar or lower price. The numbers don't justify the premium.

Next, the iPhone, which is over half their revenue, has hit a wall. Sales are flat or declining. Their once-unstoppable growth in China is now a major headache, where they're being forced into price wars with Huawei, sacrificing their legendary profit margins just to hold on to market share.

Apple also isn't inventing the future anymore. They just cancelled their decade-long, multi-billion dollar car project. The Vision Pro, hyped as the next big thing, has been a commercial flop with demand cratering. And in the most important race of our time, AI, they are years behind competitors.

Finally, the "walled garden" that generates their high-margin Services revenue is under a coordinated global attack. The US Department of Justice, the EU's Digital Markets Act, and new laws in Japan are all aimed at dismantling the App Store's monopoly power. The entire Services growth story is at risk.

The market is still pricing Apple based on the company it was, not the company it is. The fundamentals are flashing red across the board, but investors are blinded by the brand. It's a textbook value trap, and a painful repricing feels inevitable.

For anyone interested in the entirety of my research and write up you can find it here: Apple: The World's Most Obvious Value Trap

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Forbes
forbes.com › sites › qai › 2022 › 10 › 05 › why-is-apple-stock-down-right-now
Why Is Apple Stock Down Right Now?
October 12, 2022 - This article is more than 3 years old. ... Apple announced plans to slow production of iPhones, spooking investors. Sales of the new iPhone 14 are below expectations, especially in Europe and China.
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ABC News
abcnews.go.com › Business › apples-plunged-1-trillion-2022-economy › story
Apple's value plunged nearly $1 trillion in 2022. Here's what that says about the economy - ABC News
December 31, 2022 - Shoppers walk past the Apple store at the King of Prussia Mall, Dec. 11, 2022, in King of Prussia, Pa. ... Because interest rate hikes typically weigh on the economy and corporate earnings, investors flee.
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The Motley Fool
fool.com › investing › 2022 › 10 › 13 › why-apple-stock-is-down-23-this-year
Why Apple Stock Is Down 23% This Year | The Motley Fool
October 13, 2022 - Investors have turned their backs on tech stocks in 2022 as increasing inflation has led to a decline in consumer spending. This has planted doubt for the financial futures of some of the world's most valuable companies.
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Nasdaq
nasdaq.com › articles › why-is-apple-stock-going-down-and-should-you-buy-the-dip
Why Is Apple Stock Going Down, and Should You Buy the Dip? | Nasdaq
All of these stocks are in the red this year, which can be partially attributed to concerns over their China operations. U.S.-China tensions: The prospect of Donald Trump retaking the White House is not helping the cause of companies like Apple, ...
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Quora
quora.com › Why-are-Apple-Inc-shares-coming-down-in-2022
Why are Apple Inc. shares coming down in 2022? - Quora
The entire market is down dramatically in 2022 for various reasons, mostly because of increased inflation, the omicron variant, and the Fed raising interest rates. However the market is likely just correcting.
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Fortune
fortune.com › 2025 › 03 › 13 › apple-shares-losing-haven-allure-headwinds-deter-bulls
Apple shares are losing haven allure as headwinds deter bulls | Fortune
March 13, 2025 - While Apple offers steady earnings growth and sits on a mountain of cash, headwinds form a daunting list for would-be bulls: it is heavily exposed to tariff uncertainty and China, its artificial intelligence offerings have repeatedly fizzled, ...
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Bloomberg
bloomberg.com › news › articles › 2025-03-17 › apple-s-worst-week-since-2022-spurs-wall-street-to-defend-stock
Apple’s (AAPL) Worst Week Since 2022 Spurs Wall Street to Defend Stock - Bloomberg
March 17, 2025 - A delay with the company’s artificial intelligence-infused Siri digital assistant, gave further credence to the view that the company is struggling in the AI era.Photographer: Michael Nagle/Bloomberg ... The recent selloff in Apple Inc.
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Reddit
reddit.com › r/valueinvesting › what is causing $aapl stagnation and is there hope for the future.
r/ValueInvesting on Reddit: What Is Causing $AAPL Stagnation And Is There Hope For The Future.
May 30, 2025 -

Looking at Apple’s financial statements, it’s clear that the company maintains elite metrics, consistently strong returns on assets, and reliable free cash flow. Warren Buffett’s timeless financial filters highlight this well. Apple boasts a Gross Margin of 43.3%, Net Margin of 25.3%, Return on Net Tangible Assets of 33.93%, and a P/E ratio of 33.3. On top of that, Apple can pay off its long-term debt in less than one year of earnings, underscoring its exceptional financial strength and solvency.

To value Apple, I built a DCF model using data from its most recent 10-K, supported by industry analysis. I forecasted the CAGR of each of Apple’s revenue segments individually, projected free cash flows for the next four years, and factored in Apple’s record-setting share buyback program. After discounting future cash flows and building a sensitivity table around WACC and terminal growth, I arrived at several key takeaways.

My base case assumes Apple continues delivering strong profitability without any major surprises. Under these conservative but grounded assumptions, I calculated an intrinsic share price of $166.13. This figure stands well below the current market price. Even with revenue potentially reaching $566 billion by 2028, Apple still appears materially overvalued.

I also built a bull case scenario, using a WACC of 9.5% and a terminal growth rate of 2.5%. In this case, I assumed Apple Services would achieve over 20% CAGR, supported by potential AI monetization through Apple Intelligence. This scenario increased the intrinsic share price to $195.32. However, even under these optimistic assumptions, the valuation still falls short of Apple’s current share price. This brings up two important questions:

  1. Why is $AAPL’s market price so high?

  2. And what is driving $AAPL to trade at current levels?

To address the first question, I will add needed context for my valuation. Apple has seen consistent revenue declines across several major product segments since 2022. Revenue has contracted for the iPhone (–1.05% CAGR), iPad (–4.54% CAGR), Wearables, Home, and Accessories (–5.27% CAGR), and Mac (–13.61% CAGR). Apple has also lost market share in the iPhone (–0.34% CAGR), Mac (–1.07% CAGR), and Wearables segments (–14.37% CAGR). The average selling price has decreased for the iPhone, iPad, and Mac by 1.01%, 1.73%, and 6.89% respectively since 2022. Although the broader industries for these products are projected to grow, Apple’s relative decline raises concerns about whether it can capture enough of that growth to support its current valuation.

The reason Apple’s share price remains elevated is largely due to speculation around its future potential. The market is pricing in full confidence that Apple will successfully capitalize on artificial intelligence through platform-wide monetization and product innovation. At present, Apple is being valued not for what they have already accomplished in AI, but for what investors believe they will achieve in the coming years.

In my opinion, $AAPL is a HOLD at best. While Apple is unquestionably a world-class business, I do not believe that AI alone will be the transformative boost the market is expecting. Companies like Google, Microsoft, and Samsung are already ahead with their own platforms — Gemini, Copilot, and Galaxy AI. Investing in Apple at this level is not just an investment in historical excellence. It is a bet on a future where Apple becomes a dominant player in AI-powered consumer services. That future may come, but my valuation suggests there is very little margin for error. I believe the stock could lag in the near term and may be worth revisiting after a meaningful pullback.

What do you guys think? Is $AAPL really worth $3.14T?

This has been my first attempt at evaluating any company so any criticism would be appreciated!

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Barchart
barchart.com › story › news › 25359245 › why-is-apple-stock-going-down-and-should-you-buy-the-dip
Why Is Apple Stock Going Down, and Should You Buy the Dip?
April 9, 2024 - Apple stock is approaching its 52-week lows, even as other tech companies are nearing record highs. Why is Apple stock going down - and should you buy the dip?
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The Globe and Mail
theglobeandmail.com › investing › markets › stocks › AMZN-Q › pressreleases › 25359246 › why-is-apple-stock-going-down-and-should-you-buy-the-dip
Why Is Apple Stock Going Down, and Should You Buy the Dip? - The Globe and Mail
All of these stocks are in the red this year, which can be partially attributed to concerns over their China operations. U.S.-China tensions: The prospect of Donald Trump retaking the White House is not helping the cause of companies like Apple, which source the bulk of their goods from China.
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Reddit
reddit.com › r/stockmarket › apple ($aapl) stock forms 'death cross'
r/StockMarket on Reddit: Apple ($AAPL) stock forms 'death cross'
March 31, 2025 -

Apple is currently the worst-performing stock of its "Magnificent Seven" Big Tech peers, down roughly 18% for the year. The company has faced lagging sales in China and a sluggish smartphone market. The stock was hit with two downgrades in January from Jefferies and Loop Capital.

The company's stock (AAPL) was downgraded to Hold from Buy by Needham analysts who said the stock is overvalued amid growing AI competition.

Shares, which stood just above $200 on Wednesday, are priced at roughly 26 times the company's projected 2026 earnings, a multiple 50% above its 10-year average and 25% above the current average forward-year 2026 price-to-earnings ratio for the S&P 500 (^GSPC).

In April, Apple stock's 200-day moving average rose above its 50-day moving average, a phenomenon called a "death cross."

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Morningstar
morningstar.com › stocks › how-bad-could-sustained-tariffs-be-apple-stock
How Bad Could Sustained Tariffs Be for Apple Stock? | Morningstar
April 9, 2025 - With Trump taking the penalties up to 125% on goods from China on Wednesday, the potential damage to Apple on that front only worsened. Concerns about the impact of tariffs have knocked Apple’s stock down significantly harder than the rest ...
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Shawneefeed
shawneefeed.com › news › story › 31392845 › as-apple-stock-flirts-with-bear-market-territory-should-you-buy-the-dip-or-steer-clear
As Apple Stock Flirts with Bear Market Territory ...
Apple (AAPL) shares are down over 18% from their record highs and are on the verge of entering a bear market, which by definition is a drawdown of 20% from the peak. The escalating trade war is taking a toll on AAPL stock, and while there was a relief rally in tech names on March 12, Apple was the only “Magnificent 7” constituent that closed in the red.
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The Motley Fool
fool.com › investing › 2025 › 04 › 15 › apple-stock-dropped-30-high-this-will-happen-next
Apple Stock Dropped 30% From Its High. History Says This Will Happen Next. @themotleyfool #stocks $AAPL $^GSPC
April 15, 2025 - The drawdown took place as investors panicked about the potential impact of Covid-19, which disrupted supply chains by forcing business closures around the world. But Apple reached a new high in June 2020, and the stock returned 119% during ...
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24/7 Wall St.
247wallst.com › home › apple has worst week since 2022
Apple Has Worst Week Since 2022 - 24/7 Wall St.
March 18, 2025 - Apple stock just had its worst week since November 2022. Concerns about iPhone sales and delayed AI continue to drag on the shares.
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Nasdaq
nasdaq.com › articles › apple-stock-dropped-30-its-high-history-says-will-happen-next
Apple Stock Dropped 30% From Its High. History Says This Will Happen Next. | Nasdaq
The drawdown took place as investors panicked about the potential impact of Covid-19, which disrupted supply chains by forcing business closures around the world. But Apple reached a new high in June 2020, and the stock returned 119% during ...
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The Economic Times
economictimes.indiatimes.com › business news › news › international › us news
apple stock down: Apple stock falls 2.65% from the previous close: Why are Apple stock dropping and how are Trump tariffs impacting U.S. stock futures, Nasdaq, Dow Jones, and S&P 500 today? - The Economic Times
May 23, 2025 - Apple stock dropped sharply after Donald Trump threatened a 25% tariff on iPhones not made in the U.S. This sudden tariff news rattled investors, causing Nasdaq, Dow Jones, and S&P 500 futures to fall.
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Trading News
tradingnews.com › news › aapl-stock-price-forecast-growth-fatigue-and-climbing
Apple Stock Price Forecast - AAPL Hits $270.87 Amid Record $102.5B Revenue and Slowing Growth
In the same period, Microsoft’s cash flow surged 65%, Google’s 65.2%, and Meta’s 84.5%. Apple’s stagnation is now visible in its free cash flow collapse — $18.53 billion, down 46.3% YoY, signaling operational fatigue under its ...