There’s a very specific way to make a two layer subfloor. First ensure sheets are offset so no seams line up. Use screws, good ones like GRK R4s. Every 4” or so along the perimeter, every 6” in the middle. No adhesive unless you’re prepared to spread it evenly for 100% coverage with no voids. All those screws it’s unnecessary anyway. Screws should not go through the first layer into the joists. Answer from El_Jefe-77 on reddit.com
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Plywood Underlayment: When To Use & How To Choose – Vinawood Vietnam Plywood
March 20, 2025 - Maintain a consistent spacing between fasteners, typically every 2 inches along edges and 4 inches in the field. For added stability, consider using seam filler to seal gaps between panels.
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November 4, 2022 -

We are planning on installing a new floor and there's a 1/4" difference with the new one (hardwood, 3/4") and the old one (ceramic + backer, ~ 1").

So that everything arrives at the same level as before or at least close I'm planning to add 1/4" plywood on top of the existing 5/8" plywood subfloor, how would you go installing that? Should I be using nails, 3/4" floor screws or longer for joists? And add subfloor adhesive between the sheets like PL400 ? Thanks!

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Position SurePly® plywood underlayment panels 1/8" to 1/4" from the walls to allow for expansion.
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First, I'd counter your plans to orient the second layer perpendicular to the subfloor. Plywood and OSB have a strength axis that should run across the joists. Instead of turning the top layer, simply stagger its joints with respect to those of the subfloor. Start with a ripped half sheet and stagger the butt joint by two joists.

I've never heard the advice you mention about avoiding joists with underlayment fasteners. It's probably not critical to run screws into joists, but there are a couple reasons why you would.

  1. Running through between the joists creates some possibility that you'll hit something underneath that shouldn't have holes in it. Using 1-3/4" screws it's not likely to be a problem, but it is possible.

  2. You may find your screws stripping at the threads before the heads are completely sunk. They should be at or below flush, and that takes quite a bit of pull from the threads.

I wouldn't worry about gapping butt joints with plywood. It's stable enough that it shouldn't be a problem unless you happen to be installing very dry wood in a very humid environment. OSB is usually undersized to allow for swelling, but not plywood.

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You are referring to the "decoupling principle" which allows the surface to move independently from the substrate (what's underneath). It's generally not necessary with wood, because wood can slowly change shape as the house ages. Tile is rigid and crystalline and will never change shape, therefore decoupling is essential. If both layers of sub-flooring and the hardwood flooring were all anchored into the joists, it would prevent the house from deforming. If the upper layers are separated from a settling house, the upper layers will not deform as quickly, but will not add to the structural integrity of the floor.

Simply, your floor can hold up your home, or your floor can outlast your home.

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The wood grain of the panels should be · perpendicular to the floor joists. • Panel should be placed at least 1/8” to 1/4” from the walls to allow for expansion. • Offset and stagger underlayment panels to make sure all four corners do not directly meet.
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