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It's a shower. It needs to be waterproof.

A product I've used and liked is RedGard:

You install your backer board, then 'paint' this on. It's basically an adhesive roll-on rubber membrane. You then tile right on top of it.

I like this better than the traditional plastic-behind-the-backer-board for two reasons 1) You can easily put holes in the plastic during construction (screw holes, for instance) and 2) the RedGard is closer to the 'wet side' of the wall, reducing the chances of water getting into the wall.

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Tiling shower... is a waterproof membrane necessary?
Finally something I can answer! I have worked in pool and medium-large bathtub construction and installation for the last 5 years, so I might be able to give a bit of insight. So, the answer to this one is that he is half right. Using a waterproof membrane is like wearing a condom, if you know how to pull out properly you don't need it, but if you try to get by without one and fuck up, you have 18 years of child support payments waiting for you. Similarly, there are definitely ways of water proofing without resorting to a membrane, but if this is your first time, its probably safer to use one. However, if you do decide to go without, make sure to both thinset AND tape vulnerable points, but make sure to also cross tape a few times to keep moisture from loosening the adhesive. That being said, beware of over-proofing the base if you go with the membrane option. If you are using a membrane with a DG or DG- rating, you should under no circumstances double proof, like you would with say a P-k rating or higher. This is because the porosity of the clay based polymers is variable among membranes (hence the DAR rating) and is also variable to an extent within production batches, which is why it's always recommended you do a copper-phosphorous drain test before applying. As long as you use the old "DG thin on me, R/P(i,k) lay it on thick" saying, you pretty much can't go wrong. Tl;dr either way could work, but a condom is better for virgins. EDIT: misspelled porosity, thanks u/198jazzy349 More on reddit.com
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Tile coach has some pretty great videos where he tests the waterproofness of foam board vs membrane and membrane wins (albeit, marginally). The membrane waterproofing is thicker than the felt that comes preinstalled on the kerdi board. With all the requisite seam/corner/screw taping, I feel great peace of mind using membrane over concrete board, and it’s cheaper. However, for the ease of installation and ability to wet shim, kerdi board is a great option, it’s just very $$. For professionals who are trying to move quickly and save time, I think foam board is a great option. However for a DIY bathroom, you’re going to be going slow anyways, so why not save your money and get the best shot at waterproofing correctly (I emphasize correctly because there is a lot of room for error while installing your own membrane, so do your research). Remember, get the air bubbles out with a drywall knife, but don’t push all the thinset out, have the right trowel size, and overlap seams by 2”! More on reddit.com
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We gutted our bathroom and installed a steel tub. Our plan is to use 12x12 porcelain tiles from the tub to the ceiling. We already installed hardy board and are ready to proceed but we have gotten mixed advice.

In the old shower, we had some grout problems and water found its way through and damaged the floor and the first floor ceiling (underneath the tub). This time around, we don't want to cut any corners with waterproofing. We planned on using thinset and/or tape on all the hardy board joints, screws, etc, and then coating everything with a membrane such as Red Guard, Ardex 8+9, etc). However a contractor we know and a local tile store told us these waterproof membranes are totally unnecessary if we do things correctly. They said thinset itself is sufficient to waterproof anything.

I feel like I should trust this advice but I just can't help but think we will inevitably have a problem, even if it is years down the line, and I will regret not going with a membrane as an extra layer of protection.

Thoughts? Any disadvantages to overdoing the waterproofing?

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Finally something I can answer! I have worked in pool and medium-large bathtub construction and installation for the last 5 years, so I might be able to give a bit of insight. So, the answer to this one is that he is half right. Using a waterproof membrane is like wearing a condom, if you know how to pull out properly you don't need it, but if you try to get by without one and fuck up, you have 18 years of child support payments waiting for you. Similarly, there are definitely ways of water proofing without resorting to a membrane, but if this is your first time, its probably safer to use one. However, if you do decide to go without, make sure to both thinset AND tape vulnerable points, but make sure to also cross tape a few times to keep moisture from loosening the adhesive. That being said, beware of over-proofing the base if you go with the membrane option. If you are using a membrane with a DG or DG- rating, you should under no circumstances double proof, like you would with say a P-k rating or higher. This is because the porosity of the clay based polymers is variable among membranes (hence the DAR rating) and is also variable to an extent within production batches, which is why it's always recommended you do a copper-phosphorous drain test before applying. As long as you use the old "DG thin on me, R/P(i,k) lay it on thick" saying, you pretty much can't go wrong. Tl;dr either way could work, but a condom is better for virgins. EDIT: misspelled porosity, thanks u/198jazzy349
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