Always.
It's a shower. It needs to be waterproof.
A product I've used and liked is RedGard:
You install your backer board, then 'paint' this on. It's basically an adhesive roll-on rubber membrane. You then tile right on top of it.
I like this better than the traditional plastic-behind-the-backer-board for two reasons 1) You can easily put holes in the plastic during construction (screw holes, for instance) and 2) the RedGard is closer to the 'wet side' of the wall, reducing the chances of water getting into the wall.
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We gutted our bathroom and installed a steel tub. Our plan is to use 12x12 porcelain tiles from the tub to the ceiling. We already installed hardy board and are ready to proceed but we have gotten mixed advice.
In the old shower, we had some grout problems and water found its way through and damaged the floor and the first floor ceiling (underneath the tub). This time around, we don't want to cut any corners with waterproofing. We planned on using thinset and/or tape on all the hardy board joints, screws, etc, and then coating everything with a membrane such as Red Guard, Ardex 8+9, etc). However a contractor we know and a local tile store told us these waterproof membranes are totally unnecessary if we do things correctly. They said thinset itself is sufficient to waterproof anything.
I feel like I should trust this advice but I just can't help but think we will inevitably have a problem, even if it is years down the line, and I will regret not going with a membrane as an extra layer of protection.
Thoughts? Any disadvantages to overdoing the waterproofing?
Always.
It's a shower. It needs to be waterproof.
A product I've used and liked is RedGard:
You install your backer board, then 'paint' this on. It's basically an adhesive roll-on rubber membrane. You then tile right on top of it.
I like this better than the traditional plastic-behind-the-backer-board for two reasons 1) You can easily put holes in the plastic during construction (screw holes, for instance) and 2) the RedGard is closer to the 'wet side' of the wall, reducing the chances of water getting into the wall.
As DA01 said Always use wetseal, considering how much it costs it is a worth while investment
- Install the wall sheeting (we usually use villa-board which is a cement fibre board)
- Set the joints on the wall sheeting, fill any gaps between the wall and floor with silicon
- After all the sheets are set and dry
- Apply 1 coat of wetseal, for bathrooms in my state we seal the whole bathroom floor and up the wall 150mm where there is no splash areas and up the wall to a min of 2m in the shower
- Use a fibre wetseal joint tape in all corners eg where the wall and floor meet and where walls meet, this should be install why wetseal is still wet and then wetseal should be re -applied to just the wetseal tape.
- After 24hrs and wetseal is dry reapply another coat over all the area you have already covered
You can also get a professional to do this for you. Having a good wet seal job is very important for the longevity of your bathroom
Hello,
I’m just curious if there are perceived pros and cons between using liquid waterproofing and water proof membranes. My first impression is that liquid water proofing seems easier to apply and also eliminates any concerns with seams between membrane sheets. On the other hand, membranes eliminate the possibility of pin holes in the water proofing that could occur with liquid water proofing. Do you guys have more experience with each of them. Which do you prefer?